dropping AA

[marching_on_together]

main opponent is tight aggresive pre- neutral post- flop, other guy is 63/30 and aggresive post flop do you let AA go here on the turn or river?

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Preflop: Hero is UTG with A/images/graemlins/club.gif, A/images/graemlins/diamond.gif.
Hero calls, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, UTG+2 calls, <font color="#666666">5 folds</font>, SB completes, BB checks.

Flop: (4 SB) 6/images/graemlins/club.gif, 3/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, 9/images/graemlins/spade.gif <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font>
SB checks, <font color="#CC3333">BB bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, <font color="#CC3333">UTG+2 3-bets</font>, SB folds, <font color="#CC3333">BB caps</font>, Hero calls, UTG+2 calls.

Turn: (8 BB) K/images/graemlins/spade.gif <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">BB bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, UTG+2 calls, <font color="#CC3333">BB 3-bets</font>, Hero calls, UTG+2 folds.

River: (16 BB) 7/images/graemlins/heart.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">BB bets</font>, Hero folds.

Final Pot: 17 BB

[Nick C]

Keep in mind that when you whiff on a limp-reraise (I'm assuming that's what happened) that your opponents don't know how strong your hand is.

All the same, BB's turn 3-bet after the king falls is a concern, even with the LAG still in.

I think BB most likely has at least two pair. And I think you should call the turn 3-bet. I think it'll be just two pair often enough, and you'll have the odds to draw.

To be honest, though, I probably would have called the river too. I have my doubts about your hand actually being good 1 in 18 times, though, despite the presence of the maniac on the previous streets.

[MoDOH]

If BB isn´t a complete donkey I think you can fold this one on the river. But since you limped preflop your true hand strength is hidden and therefore I tend to call this river bet also...

I guess you would have called if the board paired or an A fell?

[Grease]

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I guess you would have called if the board paired or an A fell?

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I think raising would definitely be the correct play if either of those two things happened. Especially if an A fell.

[MoDOH]

Well of course you should raise if an A fell but if the board pairs I think calling is fine. If you raise and are reraised are you gonna fold?

[marching_on_together]

yes i was hoping for a preflop raise.

On the turn the 3-bet says two pair at least as the guy was the BB it is a definate possibility. If he has a set i don't have the odds to continue but with two pair a possibility I have two A outs which are good + 2K outs which are likely good and 3 outs from the flop card the opponent doesn't hold. Those last 5-outs are no good against a set but i only need a total of 3 outs to see the river and i have that here. On the river i'm dead even getting these odds.

[marching_on_together]

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Well of course you should raise if an A fell but if the board pairs I think calling is fine. If you raise and are reraised are you gonna fold?

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If an ace lands i'm not folding this to any raise, yes if the board pairs i'm calling

[MoDOH]

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Well of course you should raise if an A fell but if the board pairs I think calling is fine. If you raise and are reraised are you gonna fold?


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If an ace lands i'm not folding this to any raise, yes if the board pairs i'm calling

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What I meant was if the board pairs and you choose to raise, as the previous poster said, and you were reraised. Are you folding to that reraise or do you call?

[marching_on_together]

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Well of course you should raise if an A fell but if the board pairs I think calling is fine. If you raise and are reraised are you gonna fold?


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If an ace lands i'm not folding this to any raise, yes if the board pairs i'm calling

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What I meant was if the board pairs and you choose to raise, as the previous poster said, and you were reraised. Are you folding to that reraise or do you call?

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if you raise if a 6,3,9 lands then you have to fold to the re-raise, if you can't trust your read to do this then you shouldn't have raised, if a K lands then it's slightly harder to fold as your going to beat his two pair more often than not but against a reasonable player a fold is best.

[marching_on_together]

It's a more intresting question whether you should raise a river paired board in the first place. My gut reaction would be no. If you are only reraised by a better hand i.e. a full-house and can fold to the raise with the confidence you are beat is the initial raise +ve. My estimate is no but anybody care to do the numbers.

[MoDOH]

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It's a more intresting question whether you should raise a river paired board in the first place

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No you shouldn´t. And hence my question to the previous poster...

I think a raise here against a somewhat sane player is terrible..

[mtdoak]

Eeek. You take the hand to the river THEN you muck? If your seeing the river, your calling the bet. If your going to muck, muck after the 3-bet on the turn. There is no way you could be 16-1 sure that he has you beat. He could just as easily have Queens or even the other two aces. If your going to muck, get out on the turn (which I would advise NOT to do). Call down.

[Kevroc]

I think in Party 2/4 AA UTG is 99% of the time an open raise. Going for the limp-reraise in those games is a little bit of FPS IMHO.

[marching_on_together]

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Eeek. You take the hand to the river THEN you muck? If your seeing the river, your calling the bet. If your going to muck, muck after the 3-bet on the turn. There is no way you could be 16-1 sure that he has you beat. He could just as easily have Queens or even the other two aces. If your going to muck, get out on the turn (which I would advise NOT to do). Call down.

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your wrong, you think this type of palyer has queens, not a chance. The other two aces highly unlikely seeing as he didn't raise the flop. he has two pair or a set and you need to work on hand reading. I have the odds to call the turn so mucking there is a mistake. Against a reasonable player on the river i'm beat more than 16:1

[rmarotti]

Why did you post this as a question if you knew you were right?