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kurto

03-04-2005, 11:45 AM

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.25 BB (9 handed) converter (http://www.selachian.com/tools/bisonconverter/hhconverter.cgi)

saw flop|saw showdown

SB ($13.50)
BB ($12.65)
UTG ($11.05)
UTG+1 ($9.90)
MP1 ($11.45)
MP2 ($5.40)
MP3 ($42.65)
Hero ($19.85)
Button ($5.75)

Preflop: Hero is CO with 5/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, 5/images/graemlins/spade.gif.
UTG calls $0.25, UTG+1 calls $0.25, 1 fold, MP2 calls $0.25, 1 fold, Hero calls $0.25, 1 fold, SB completes, BB checks.

Flop: ($1.50) 5/images/graemlins/heart.gif, J/images/graemlins/spade.gif, A/images/graemlins/club.gif (6 players)
SB checks, BB checks, UTG checks, UTG+1 checks, MP2 checks, Hero bets $0.75, SB folds, BB calls $0.75, UTG folds, UTG+1 folds, MP2 calls $0.75.

Turn: ($3.75) J/images/graemlins/club.gif (3 players)
BB checks, MP2 checks, Hero bets $1.5, BB raises to $3.75, MP2 calls $3.75, Hero raises to $11.25, BB raises to $11.65, MP2 calls $0.65 (All-In), Hero calls $0.40.

River: ($31.45) 9/images/graemlins/club.gif (3 players, 1 all-in)

Final Pot: $31.45

Anyone worry about a higher boat here? AJ is a common hand. Automatic all-in? Or manage the potsize?

SeattleJake

03-04-2005, 03:26 PM

He's gotta have one of KJ QJ TJ, maybe a Kxc. He doesn't see your full house, obviously, and either figures he has your set of Jacks beat, or his set of Jacks can beat whatever you had. He could be slow playing AJ, but I don't think he'd have just called, standing to win just an extra .75 on top two pair.

I'd bet pot on the flop, same on the turn, and happily call an all-in with the boat. I can't see you losing it enough times to ever make it -ev.

djr

03-04-2005, 04:22 PM

I like your line. Only difference would be to bet a little bigger on the flop, say $1. I don't like betting the pot here, you have a monster and want someone to tag along, the only draw here is a one-outer for broadway. Also, go at least half pot sized bet on the turn. No worries about a bigger boat (at least not the AJ), I can't see him slowplaying it that way (unless your read on him is different), worst case he should have minbet the flop with AJ. You may get nailed by a J9 though, but that's life.

SeattleJake

03-04-2005, 04:44 PM

I guess you're right on the flop bet. You don't want to chase off SP or TPWK.

kurto

03-04-2005, 04:53 PM

Yeah. The amount of the flop bet is tricky. A lot of people check their flopped sets, but I don't like that. I want to build a little bit to entice people to call a larger bet down the road. But some night my standard bet (usually I pot it or come just under, like $1 into a $1.25 pot) induces too many folds. The question is what's the magic number that brings everyone along.

Unfortunately, I don't get enough monsters at any one table to always gauge what might work. Some tables... you bet a quarter and everyone folds. Others, they'll call an overbet with middle pair.

djr

03-04-2005, 05:18 PM

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Unfortunately, I don't get enough monsters at any one table to always gauge what might work.

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You should be able to gauge the table well enough by how people respond to other peoples bets, not just your own. I realize this is harder to do in the world of multitabling (and heck I don't pay enough attention either), but I thought I'd throw that out.

Having said that, I agree. Some sessions a half bet is too much, others you could pot it everytime and get called. To some extent, critiquing bet size is a little unfair when you're not the one actually playing the hand.

theben

03-04-2005, 06:38 PM

there are very rare times when it is wise to fold a small full house when the board is single paired. but in a NL game where nobody has more than 20$ on the table, there is never a time to fold a full house against a single paired board. play your hand out and live with the results. it'll earn more than it loses in the long run