Pharaoh's Club Paulson chips, go with someone else?

[TenPercenter]

There are a few things that I wanted different on the Paulson chips. I wanted to change one or two colors, I wanted bigger inlays, and I wanted custom inlay edges (cog, scallop, etc).

This poll is to find out what you want. If we can't get any of those things, would you still want to go with Paulson? In other words, if the inlay was smaller than the alotted flat area, if the colors are the same as the James Bonds, and if all inlays were round...

Keep in mind that original group buy members will get a much better price than James Bonds, or any other retail Paulson prices.

I'll post my opinion after a good many votes come in.

Ten

[Spooky]

I voted to go with Paulson because, well... they are Paulsons. However I would not storm off in a huff if the project went the other way. I trust your integrity as the lead of this project.

[AZnuts]

As stated in the previous thread - the Paulsons are the whole reason I'm interested!

Great poll, very interested in the results.

[MeridianFC]

Depends who the other is and what they allow you to do. If, for instance, ASM relaxed their restrictions for this order or you had some crazy good TR King design it might be very interesting. I do like me some Paulsons, though I already have 1,000 of 'em. /images/graemlins/cool.gif

[PinataUT]

They're going to fix the mold to better fit the smaller inlay. See Trademark Poker's new inlay (http://www.trademarkpoker.com/paulson.asp)

[TenPercenter]

Answer to "Who else?": Matsui, ASM, TR King, in that order of preference. Matsui will be more expensive but I love their chips. ASM will take too damn long, but I love their chips. (And no dual color edgspots). TR King is not my favorite, but they are very high qulaity and are flexible.

Paulson is Paulson. They beat the other guys in every catagory (looks, quality, feel, resale value) except flexibility.

Ten

[TenPercenter]

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They're going to fix the mold to better fit the smaller inlay. See Trademark Poker's new inlay (http://www.trademarkpoker.com/paulson.asp)

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That's what I predict. Either the mold changes, or the inlay changes. I vote that the mold does, to reserve all grand and giant inlays for Casino use.

As I said in another thread, if this happens then I'll go with Paulson anyway. At that point, the goofy inlay is fixed, but we still cannot change colors or inlay shapes. I'd be ok with that.

Ten

[mckee27]

I am in for the Paulsons, but either way, I am in. Is the Opt #2 Pharaoh (winner) going to definetely be the theme???

[mckee27]

Ten or whoever: You like Paulson or Chipco chips???

[TenPercenter]

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Ten or whoever: You like Paulson or Chipco chips???

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Yes.

Ten






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[House of Payne]

I'm only in if they are Paulson's.

Look's like this buy is going to take a while to happen. Suspect that I should get a small set from the Bond group buy and sell those when these are ready.

[mckee27]

Ten: Reason I am asking around: I am undecided on Chipco Egyptian set or Paulsons??

[TenPercenter]

Paulsons are better feel to me, and more classic and traditional.

Chipcos are better for high rez graphics or striking pictures. Also more durable.

I truly like both. I'm young enough that my first time in a casino exposed me to both Chipco (Bally's, Luxor) and Paulson at the same time. Older people will always dislike Chipco since they are not the original casino chip type.

Ten

[jojobinks]

i voted go elsewhere, but only b/c i think the inlay shape was my favorite part of the project. i think the artwork is great, but the inlay shape idea is the dogs bullocks.

dunno, would we have any luck getting asm to do the inlays we discussed? i have some bond samples, and i agree, they're the best of my samples. i'd be willing to wait if we needed to though (asm).

it's taken nearly two weeks to get my pc.com sample, so i understand that would suck. and i'm waiting for matsui samples now too. i'm in it for the longhaul, though, b/c i'm excited about custom clays, and i like what we saw from the #2 design. but, and i know i don't need to reiterate this but i will anyhow, i'm still praying for some sweet varied inlay action.

[CaptLego]

I say if you can get custom colors, custom inlay shapes, and a custom mold with great chips --- who need Paulson?

BTW -- what, exactly does it take to get custom chips from Paulson or BJ, for example? They obviously make lots of custom designs for the casinos. Does it take more than 100K chip order? Do you have to be a registered casino? Could we get a casino to order these (maybe as NCV) for us?

[TenPercenter]

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dunno, would we have any luck getting asm to do the inlays we discussed? i have some bond samples, and i agree, they're the best of my samples. i'd be willing to wait if we needed to though (asm).

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If you have bond samples that are NOT paulson, then you most likely have Blue Chip samples.


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i'm in it for the longhaul, though, b/c i'm excited about custom clays, and i like what we saw from the #2 design. but, and i know i don't need to reiterate this but i will anyhow, i'm still praying for some sweet varied inlay action.

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I'm about 85% sure that what I will do is alter two things on each denom: The amount and the main graphic. That leaves the Club name and the watermark to keep the cohesion between chips. I think it'll look great and still provide a varied (not boring) set.

Ten

[TenPercenter]

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I say if you can get custom colors, custom inlay shapes, and a custom mold with great chips --- who need Paulson?

BTW -- what, exactly does it take to get custom chips from Paulson or BJ, for example? They obviously make lots of custom designs for the casinos. Does it take more than 100K chip order? Do you have to be a registered casino? Could we get a casino to order these (maybe as NCV) for us?

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With Blue Chip, you can go straight to them and make your own custom order. Beware though, I've heard many bad things about service and quality there. They do not have a web site. The one guy I know that made a personal custom order was not happy with the results. BC is not maliciously bad, I just think they are geared for wholesale and not used to one-on-one sales.

With Paulson, you have one choice and one choice only: Buy minimum 100,000 units from Trademarkpoker.com. They are the official, one and only, distributor for Paulson home chips. So far there has been only one custom order, and it is the James Bond chips from dice702. Ours will be the second custom order.

Ten

[TenPercenter]

Ok, we've gotten about 50 votes now so I'll speak up.

If you think of it in the simplist terms, then we go Paulson no matter what. I mean, if you want ASM chips, you can go buy them yourself (and wait). Same thing with Matsui, you don't get much of a discount for huge buys. It's a 10¢ discount for 50,000+ orders.

The main reason to go Paulson, even without the coveted modifications, is because we will be unique. You will have the only new Paulsons that aren't James Bond or stock trademarks. Not only is this very cool, but is also more secure for your games.

And finally, Paulson will hold its resale value (or GROW it) if you ever decide to sell them. Just for the name alone, but also because of the quality. (quality that we have confirmed with samples)

These are the reasons I voted for Paulson all-the-way.

Ten

[mckee27]

Sounds good. Let's do it....Paulson it is.

[toots]

That's kinda my feeling. There are other chipco, ASM and TRK orders out there. Paulson would be unique and exclusive.

[coyote]

I'm on board for Paulsons.

[CaptLego]

I understand your logic (sort of)...
If security were an issue, then the best answer would be for each person to get their own custom chips.

For me, the discount (or resale value) is not the prime motivation. Cool chips are the goal. Cost is somewhat secondary.

If you can't get the chips you want from Paulson, then I'd still say that it isn't worth compromising just to get the Paulson brand. If you want to compromise enough, you can just get the Paulson JBs.

I still like the idea of a Matsui with custom mold.

[jojobinks]

my bond samples are paulson. i'm agreeing, they're the best. and if it need be paulson, then i'll still be in (probably). i'm just going to have to keep on pouting about inlay shape.

[TripKings]

Ten,

Is/was asking to change the edgespots to a single color of 3 or 4 on a 100,000 order an option you checked/wanted to check into?

[TripKings]

I love the Paulsons(I just got samples this week). I can live with the small, round inlay - but I really dislike the edgespot rainbow effect you get when stacked. I'm in for Paulsons prolly eitherway.

[TripKings]

(sorry this site will only let me post so many characters in one post)

I'm curious on the trademark changes on their next release(I agree it looks like a mold change - I guess I prefer the slimmer mold with a small inlay - I think - I need to see a better pic) - can you ask them what the changes will be or contact Paulson dirctly with our/your questions? Keep up the great work.

[Lumpy]

I would say Paulson, but I really hope the different inlay shapes will be an option. I'm sure there is a .000001% chance of getting them, but I can dream.

[Slow Play Ray]

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...but I really dislike the edgespot rainbow effect you get when stacked.

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What do you mean, because of the dual edge spots?

[Lumpy]

When do you expect your chips Ray?

[TripKings]

Exactly. ie, the green chips are only 50% green when viewed from the edge - with a "rainbow" of colors as the edgespots that are the same on multiple chips. I would prefer 3 smaller, single color edge spots. Not a huge deal, but my preference due to asthetics and color blindness.

[TabascoJRC]

I beleieve that is the same picture it has always been. Could be wrong though.

[Slow Play Ray]

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When do you expect your chips Ray?

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March 29 is the "official" estimate for shipping...so a couple of days after that...but it already feels like forever!

[Slow Play Ray]

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Exactly. ie, the green chips are only 50% green when viewed from the edge - with a "rainbow" of colors as the edgespots that are the same on multiple chips. I would prefer 3 smaller, single color edge spots. Not a huge deal, but my preference due to asthetics and color blindness.

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Gotcha. I personally prefer it that way, so long as all of the different denominations are easily distinguishable, but I can certainly see how that could present a problem for the color blind!

[Lottery Larry]

"(sorry this site will only let me post so many characters in one post) "

What site is that? I don't have such a limitation.

[rickw]

I voted for Paulsons. However, I had the following thoughts after receiving my 7 chip sample of the James Bonds:

Pros --

1. The feel and sound are great--maybe perfect.
2. The edge spots are slightly irregular and rough, which I like because it gives the chip a more "traditional/old school" feel.
3. I thought I wouldn't like the new mold ("Paulson Chips") but I was fine with it.
4. I like the texture (smooth) of the inlay (as opposed to something like the nevada jacks samples I have which is somewhat rough/scaly).

Cons:

1. I read some post complaining that the Paulsons tend to get dirty and rub off on each other. I found that to be the case--after 20 minutes of shuffling the sample fresh out of the pack, the white $.50 chip and the orange $1000 showed some dirt/color from the other chips. It sounds like this is typical with Paulsons, but it happened quicker than I thought it would.
2. We should definitely want to match the inlay to the mold; the small inlay seems odd on this mold; I wouldn't mind the mold if it came out like the pictures of the generic Paulsons, however (shown at trademark poker).
3. I'm not crazy about the orange color on the $1,000 chip.

For what it's worth, I wasn't particularly crazy about how the James Bond inlay looks. The green background pattern and the large black denominations don't work together that well in my opinion. Also, there's too much going on in the green pattern for such a small space.

That all being said, I'm definitely interested in going along with an order for Paulsons (subject to see final designs of course). I like denominations but it would be nice to have one chip (the white one) without a denomination so you have a little flexibility.

Also, does anyone have a view as to the durability of the Paulsons? Old ones are for sale all over the place, so they must be durable. Any reason to believe this new series of chips is less so?

Also, does anyone know how long the Paulsons last in casino use before they are replaced?

[TripKings]

This site Larry, I sure wish I knew why I always have trouble. If I limit my characters it sends right away - if too many it times out. Any help would be appreciated - admin won't respond to my questions.

[Johnny5]

It is the same as the one that was there several weeks ago.

I know this has been covered, but there are 2 basic options on how they can fix the mold.

1) They will ‘fill in’ the center (or extend the outer ridge inwards) to match the inlay size.
2) They will increase the inlay size (Standard to Grand).

It seems that #1 is almost certain (especially since the proof shows the 'Paulson Chips' mold more inset from the outer chip edge), but that got me thinking that if they add extra chip material, doesn't that increase the weight of the chips?

Are standard vs. grand inlay chips in general (Paulson/ASM etc) the same weight, or are the standards always heavier?

Thoughts?

J5

[jojobinks]

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(especially since the proof shows the 'Paulson Chips' mold more inset from the outer chip edge)

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link to the proofs please?

[jojobinks]

trademarkpoker's stated policy (http://www.trademarkpoker.com/paulson.asp)

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There is a minimum order of 100,000 pieces for custom product. Your custom product will be limited to using the same color base and edge spots illustrated above.
Your custom product will not have any limitations on the inlay, as long as it does not conflict with any operating casino name.
All register trademark and copyright art will require release signatures.

Best bulk pricing will be for order of 250,000 pieces or more.

For further information please call our sales office.

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seems like different shaped inlays might not be a problem according the trademarkpoker. discuss?

[Johnny5]

Those are the proofs I speak of.

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Your custom product will not have any limitations on the inlay, as long as it does not conflict with any operating casino name.

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seems like different shaped inlays might not be a problem according the trademarkpoker. discuss?

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I like your conclusion, but pretty sure this refers to the content, not the shape of the inlay.

J5

[jojobinks]

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Those are the proofs I speak of.

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Your custom product will not have any limitations on the inlay, as long as it does not conflict with any operating casino name.

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seems like different shaped inlays might not be a problem according the trademarkpoker. discuss?

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I like your conclusion, but pretty sure this refers to the content, not the shape of the inlay.

J5

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that might be true. but very annoying. can you imagine, a web design person writing poorly?

[Johnny5]

Hey, I do a little web design, what are you trying to say? /images/graemlins/crazy.gif <- says 'crazy', but looks like 'about to cry' to me...

The webmaster always takes the blame. What about the marketing/legal dept who supplied the copy? /images/graemlins/smirk.gif

J5

[Iron Butt]

I'd be happy with any of the major manufacturers: ASM, Blue Chip, TR King... Paulson too of course.

Custom colors would be the change I'd most like to see, not crazy about the JB colors.

[Coleman]

What could be better than a thoughtfully designed Paulson poker chip? If the mold compromise is corrected, this will be the most desirable new chip on the market, period.

[smoore]

Inlays are basically just well attached stickers. My desire for a custom chip is a truly custom chip... colors, inlay, possibly mold. I wouldn't want Ten's nice art on those horrendous JB colors. I understand they are attractive to some people but I hate them.