How should I play this hand?

[jwombles]

$20 MTT on Party. About 50 players left out of 1650. My goal is to make final table. I've dropped below the average chip stack size which is about T20,000.

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t3000 (9 handed) converter (http://www.selachian.com/tools/bisonconverter/hhconverter.cgi)

CO (t62302)
Button (t13508)
Hero (t16055)
BB (t28858)
UTG (t21539)
UTG+1 (t62178)
MP1 (t11637)
MP2 (t8260)
MP3 (t5677)

Preflop: Hero is SB with T/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, 3/images/graemlins/diamond.gif.
UTG calls t3000, UTG+1 calls t3000, <font color="#666666">5 folds</font>, Hero completes, BB checks.

Flop: (t12000) Q/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, 4/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, 4/images/graemlins/club.gif <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font>

How should I play this hand? Most everyone at the table has been playing pretty much conservative.

Wombles

[woodguy]

I think you have to go all in.

If you check raise you may tie a weak Q to the pot and you really want all the Q's to fold if possible (the 4's won't fold)

Hopefully the push gets everyone to fold, if not and you get called in one spot you are effectively betting 13055 to win 38110 or 2.91-1.

If you get called by Q you have 9 cards twice to win, or 1.9-1 against, so you're getting a good price.

(ignoring when you go runner,runner or he goes runner, runner for other hand likes trips etc.)

If you get called by a 4, the odds are about the same because he doesn't kill any of your /images/graemlins/diamond.gif outs unless the turn pairs a river /images/graemlins/diamond.gif.

If you get called by a better flush draw, hope for T. /images/graemlins/grin.gif

If QQ or Q4 calls throw something at the screen.

In all you really want them to fold, but if not you are getting the right price to gamble here.

Regards,
Woodguy

[Kronon]

I think this is a perfect flop for the SB to go all-in. Everyone will be scared of a 4, and its very unlikely anyone have it except for the blinds.

So you have a good chance of winning the pot right here if you go all-in, and even if you are called by someone with for example AQ you have 9 outs.

Remember that the opponents cant have a pair and a flush draw here, and they have the trips to consider, so an all-in might get a hand like AQ to fold (unlikely, but you never know).

[Bataglin]

You could fold preflop.

[MLG]

I rarely say this, but fold preflop.

[2005]

Ha, I was gonna post that, but I wanted to read your reply first to see if you and I were actually both gonna say to fold preflop. I think the key is the fact that OP said "My goal is to make the final table" Your stack is not big enough to be risking 1500 chips with T3s no matter what your goal however.

Gavin G

[MLG]

Shocking Gavin, we agree. GL on day two today, saw you snuck through yesterday with a shortstack. Not that im hijacking the post or anything.

[yecul]

I agree on the pf fold. Now that you're in the pot, push.

[jwombles]

The fold preflop is interesting. My thinking here lately was that I wasn't taking advantage of situations where the pot odds dictate a call when I'm in the SB. There were two callers plus my SB and the BB in the pot for a total of 10,500 in the pot.

It was only $1500 more to call to win a possible 10,500. Granted, T3s isn't a great hand, but I saw it as an opportunity to see a flop cheaply with good pot odds.

Pushing after the flop seemed right to me too. I thought about checking and then let someone bet at it and then reraise all in as a semi-bluff representing trips which IMHO is the only way I would get someone with the Queen to lay down. But, I just didn't have enough chips to get someone out of the hand if they bet at it first.

Results below...thanks for your input!

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t3000 (9 handed) converter (http://www.selachian.com/tools/bisonconverter/hhconverter.cgi)

CO (t62302)
Button (t13508)
Hero (t16055)
BB (t28858)
UTG (t21539)
UTG+1 (t62178)
MP1 (t11637)
MP2 (t8260)
MP3 (t5677)

Preflop: Hero is SB with T/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, 3/images/graemlins/diamond.gif.
UTG calls t3000, UTG+1 calls t3000, <font color="#666666">5 folds</font>, Hero completes, BB checks.

Flop: (t12000) Q/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, 4/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, 4/images/graemlins/club.gif <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets t13055 (All-In)</font>, BB folds, UTG folds, UTG+1 calls t13055.

Turn: (t38110) 7/images/graemlins/club.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players, 1 all-in)</font>

River: (t38110) 3/images/graemlins/club.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players, 1 all-in)</font>

Final Pot: t38110

Results in white below: <font color="#FFFFFF">
Hero has Td 3d (two pair, fours and threes).
UTG+1 has Ks Qh (two pair, queens and fours).
Outcome: UTG+1 wins t38110. </font>

Wombles

[edfilan]

I think that the preflop call is marginal. You should be in push/fold mode preflop.

I also don't like the push postflop. You're not representing a 4 by pushing since the normal play would be to check raise or slow play. Any Q or any draw with overcards are calling a push from the small stack. If YOU had overcards, the push would be more reasonable. I'd check/fold this one.