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Broken Glass Can
03-03-2005, 09:08 AM
Senator's Hitler Comparison on Judicial Nominees "Offensive and Insensitive" (http://www.adl.org/PresRele/HolNa_52/4660_52.htm)

New York, NY, March 2, 2005 … The Anti-Defamation League (ADL) expressed outrage at the remarks of West Virginia Senator Robert Byrd, who suggested that some Republican tactics on judicial nominations were similar to Adolf Hitler's use of power in Nazi Germany.

In remarks from the Senate floor yesterday, Sen. Byrd compared a Senate rule cutting off debate on nominations to Hitler's use of constitutional means to push legislation through the German Reichstag at the start of the Nazi era.

Abraham H. Foxman, ADL National Director, issued the following statement:

It is hideous, outrageous and offensive for Senator Byrd to suggest that the Republican Party's tactics could in any way resemble those of Adolf Hitler and the Nazi Party.

The Senator shows a profound lack of understanding as to who Hitler was and what he and his regime represented.

Senator Byrd must repudiate his remarks immediately and apologize to the American people for showing such disrespect for this country's democratic process.

Matty
03-03-2005, 10:33 AM
Fascism isn't an ideology like socialism, communism, liberalism, conservatism, etc. It's just a style of brute-force politics which can be used to further any ideology. So when things are happening like the CIA being purged of "liberal Democrats" because they "pose a threat to national security", all I can say is Gliescheltung.

El Barto
03-03-2005, 10:47 AM
In this case, a minority is forcing their will on society. Remember, the American people elected those 100 Senators that are not being allowed to vote up or down on these nominees.

What we have here is the forceful tyranny of the minority... and Hitler was only ever chosen by a minority, until he took over.

Matty
03-03-2005, 11:20 AM
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What we have here is the forceful tyranny of the minority...

[/ QUOTE ]The checks and balances in our government are now "the forceful tyranny of the minority"? Where do you get this [censored]?

http://www.kansascity.com/mld/kansascitystar/news/politics/10939673.htm

“Fully 60 percent (of respondents in the Journal/NBC poll), including one-fourth of Republicans, say Democrats in Congress should make sure Bush and his party ‘don't go too far.' Just 34 percent want Democrats to ‘work in a bipartisan way' to help pass the president's priorities.”

PhatTBoll
03-03-2005, 11:22 AM
Wasn't Robert Byrd a KKK member?

Matty
03-03-2005, 11:33 AM
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Wasn't Robert Byrd a KKK member?

[/ QUOTE ]Yes, and while he gets great vote ratings from groups like the NAACP, I still think at heart he's a bit of a racist.

jaxmike
03-03-2005, 11:52 AM
the democrats are using a philibuster for a reason that is not enumerated to them. there is NOTHING wrong with changing the rules in the Senate, things like that happen all the time. only this time its to stop some racists from letting republicans put qualified minorities in positions of power so that the democrats can keep calling republicans racist to hide their own racism.

Voltorb
03-03-2005, 12:58 PM
This particular comparison of the political tactics of Republicans to those of the Nazis is completley unfounded. I imagine what Senator Byrd meant when he referred to "constitutional means to push legislation through the German Reichstag at the start of the Nazi era" was the passage of the Enabling Law. I see very little comparison between this action and the passing of a law effectively eliminating filibusters, another questionable political tactic. This law would give Republicans more power indeed, but it wouldn't grant them dictatorial powers as it did the Nazis.

For a decent comparison of today's politics and the politics of the Nazis, examine the political climate in America surrounding the passage of the Patriot Act to the political climate in Germany surrounding the passage of the Enabling Law. One could also compare the general apathy and disdain of politics demonstrated by the masses of both eras, as well as politicians from both major parties focusing more on image and less on content in response to these attitudes.

In my opinion, the American democratic process is in very little trouble when compared to the situation Germans faced during the Nazis rise to power. What disturbs me, is the typical American politician's willingness to tap a critical weakness of democracy that the Nazis so readily exploited:

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Well, the principal one and the crucial one is that most people are unwilling to subject those who are appealing for their votes to the only kind of scrutiny that can lead to a healthy decision-making process. Either they can't be bothered to find out what politicians actually intend or, more understandably, they find the whole process extremely difficult. therefore there's an inclination for very many people not to weigh up the options on offer, but to make a gut emotive response to a gut emotive slogan.


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--Brian Walden, BBC

This is a problem in America and modern democracies that transcends partisanship. A true patriot will not suffer this weakness in either himself or others.

CORed
03-03-2005, 03:34 PM
Byrd calling the Republicans Nazis because he lost a cloture vote is beyond ridiculous. Just a little history here. Republicans started filibustering Clinton's judicial nominations. After Bush took power and the Republicans got a majority in the Senate, the Democrats started doing the same thing to Bush's judicial nominations. Apparently the Republicans got a few Democrats to vote to limit debate. As much as I don't want to see too many of Bush's appointees on the bench, I think it's on balance a good thing that these obstructionist tactics by the minority end. This is not really about suppressing speech. This is about filibusters, a tactic whereby, due to the strange rules of the U.S. Senate, it effectively takes 60 votes for the Senate to do anything.

MtSmalls
03-03-2005, 03:42 PM
The use of a filibuster by the Democrats, to keep judicial nominees off the bench, nominees that have been rejected once already, is not racist.

The Democrats opposed Dr. Rice's elevation to Sec. of State, not because she's black, but that she is incompetent. She proved this in her time as NSA. They opposed Mr. Gonzales as AG, not because he happens to be Hispanic, but that he wrote the legal brief in defense of, and continues to believe in, torturing people.

The condemnation of the candidates already rejected, lies not in their sex or color, but in their historical record of decisions that support business over the environment or the people.

Bush had 96% of his judicial nominees approved in his first term, a higher percentage than Clinton in either of his two terms. This is an essential part of the checks and balances between the three branches of government.

If you don't like the Facist label, quit acting like it.

jaxmike
03-03-2005, 04:35 PM
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The use of a filibuster by the Democrats, to keep judicial nominees off the bench, nominees that have been rejected once already, is not racist.

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Wrong.

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The Democrats opposed Dr. Rice's elevation to Sec. of State, not because she's black, but that she is incompetent. She proved this in her time as NSA.

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Wrong.

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They opposed Mr. Gonzales as AG, not because he happens to be Hispanic, but that he wrote the legal brief in defense of, and continues to believe in, torturing people.

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Everything about this is wrong. The memo that Gonzales wrote was an attept to clarify the definition of torture, not in defense of it. He has repeatedly stated he does not believe in torture.

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The condemnation of the candidates already rejected, lies not in their sex or color, but in their historical record of decisions that support business over the environment or the people.

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Wrong, its because they are minorities who side with Republicans. Thus they are a threat to the liberals because they could help expose the fact that liberals do nothing for minorities but use them.

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Bush had 96% of his judicial nominees approved in his first term, a higher percentage than Clinton in either of his two terms. This is an essential part of the checks and balances between the three branches of government.

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I agree that there is an important system of checks and balances in government. However, you are misleading everyone with this fact. Bush did in fact get something like 96% approved. The problem is that he was not allowed even A VOTE on the ones that I am referring to. THAT didn't happen, at least not at this frequency, while Clinton was in the White House. The key point is that these people are not even getting a chance to be VOTED ON, thats where the problem lies. Democrats don't want to let them have a vote because if they did, they would pass.

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If you don't like the Facist label, quit acting like it.

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Ah, my favorite. Yet totally inaccurate. Please explain to me how I or Republicans are being Facists. Hint, this would require you know what thw word means, something clearly you do not.

Dead
03-03-2005, 04:40 PM
Robert Byrd is an embarrassment to the Democratic Party, just like Rick Santorum and Jerry Falwell are embarrassments for the Republican Party.

Nothing else needs to be said.

The scary part about Santorum and Falwell, however, is that they seem to be dragging the Republican party way to the right on social issues, while Byrd is largely irrelevant in the Democratic Party. Sure, he's respected for his length of service, but he's basically irrelevant. His main job now is securing the most money he can for his home state of West Virginia, and he's nothing like he was in the 60s and 70s when he was a national leader of the Democratic Party.

Robert Byrd will never be a Ted Kennedy or John Kerry of the party. While he did have a lot of influence, his racist past and KKK membership will always stain his otherwise distinguished record.

Dead
03-03-2005, 04:42 PM
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In this case, a minority is forcing their will on society. Remember, the American people elected those 100 Senators that are not being allowed to vote up or down on these nominees.

What we have here is the forceful tyranny of the minority... and Hitler was only ever chosen by a minority, until he took over.

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That's garbage. The filibuster has been used by Republicans in the past as well, and Republicans also bottled some of Clinton's nominees up in the Judiciary Commitee for years, never giving them an up or down vote.

Bush has had far more success than Clinton has had with respect to judicial nominees. He hasn't had more than 10 blocked, and hundreds have been confirmed.

jaxmike
03-03-2005, 05:02 PM
Kennedy is a joke, so is Kerry.

Dead
03-03-2005, 05:04 PM
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Kennedy is a joke, so is Kerry.

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No, you're a joke.

Kennedy has been a respected Senator for more than 40 years and John Kerry is a decorated war hero with a stellar record on constituent service, among other things.

I've actually met Ted Kennedy(met him at a John Kerry rally near my house last March), and I can tell you that he is no joke. He is a giant of a man: physically of course, but in other ways as well).

Maybe I should change my avatar to John Kerry, because I have such deep respect for him.

jaxmike
03-03-2005, 05:17 PM
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Kennedy has been a respected Senator for more than 40 years

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Now this is a joke. Didn't Kennedy kill that woman in Chapaquitic(sp)?

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John Kerry is a decorated war hero with a stellar record on constituent service

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According to the people that served with him, his decorated war hero status is in question. As those charges have not been answered by him, I will not assume his admittance to their claim, but I will not dismiss that claim either.

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I've actually met Ted Kennedy(met him at a John Kerry rally near my house last March), and I can tell you that he is no joke. He is a giant of a man: physically of course, but in other ways as well).

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Was he drunk?

Matty
03-03-2005, 05:23 PM
jaxmike, you're making yourself look like quite an idiot taking baseless rumors and accusations as facts. Those SwiftBoat liars are mostly the same men who accused John McCain of being a traitor when he ran against Junior in the primaries, and they did not serve with John Kerry. They were just in Vietnam at the same time (with maybe one or two exceptions). Everyone on John Kerry's boat called the Swiftboat liars on their [censored] (except those who died), and campaigned with Kerry since 2003.

Matty
03-03-2005, 05:24 PM
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Wrong.

Wrong.

[/ QUOTE ]Well you've convinced me ..

Dead
03-03-2005, 05:28 PM
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jaxmike, you're making yourself look like quite an idiot taking baseless rumors and accusations as facts. Those SwiftBoat liars are mostly the same men who accused John McCain of being a traitor when he ran against Junior in the primaries, and they did not serve with John Kerry. They were just in Vietnam at the same time (with maybe one or two exceptions). Everyone on John Kerry's boat called the Swiftboat liars on their [censored] (except those who died), and campaigned with Kerry since 2003.

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I hate bothering with Jaxmike, but I feel like I'm under an obligation to refute his lies and propaganda.

Anyone who says that John Kerry is anything less than a war hero is full of [censored]. It's just as simple as that.

He jumped out of his boat after being shot at and chased an enemy soldier down, killing him.

He pulled Jim Rassmann out of a boat in the Delta, under heavy fire.

He was awarded a Silver Star. He was awarded a Bronze Star. He was awarded 3 Purple Hearts.

What war have you served in Jaxmike? How many medals have you won?

Gimme a break. You just stound stupid criticizing Kerry's military service, especially when Bush didn't even bother to show up to military duty in Alabama, and so many other Republicans are warmongers who had "other obligations" during Vietnam. Tom DeLay and Dick Cheney are a couple of examples.

jaxmike
03-03-2005, 05:33 PM
finally, you have come to your senses.

Warchant88
03-03-2005, 05:38 PM
I don't think that there is much to argue about Kerry's war resume. It's his political beliefs that weren't good. /images/graemlins/wink.gif

jaxmike
03-03-2005, 05:38 PM
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jaxmike, you're making yourself look like quite an idiot taking baseless rumors and accusations as facts.

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Still have yet to be refuted.....

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and they did not serve with John Kerry. They were just in Vietnam at the same time (with maybe one or two exceptions)

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Same place and same time, but did not serve with him.. I see........ And these exceptions are to be discounted because???


Oh and approximately 180 Swift Boat people vs. approximately 20 (probably being generous) that corroborate Kerry...... hmm.....

Dead
03-03-2005, 05:44 PM
Why don't you check the political registrations of the 180 Swift Boat members? My guess is that 90%+ vote Republican.

jaxmike
03-03-2005, 05:53 PM
so, check the political registrations of those supporting kerry, the few that you can find.

Dead
03-03-2005, 05:59 PM
Rassmann is a registered Republican and a conservative, and he supported Kerry.

He's the one that Kerry pulled out of the water.

That says a lot, doesn't it?

He knows that John Kerry is a man of high moral character.

jaxmike
03-03-2005, 06:01 PM
so the one who owes his life to kerry supports him? strange. don't get me wrong, i don't question the fact that kerry served his country and I respect that, I just think that if the swifties are right, then he has some 'splainin to do.

Dead
03-03-2005, 06:04 PM
The swifties were proven wrong long ago, Mike, and the fact that you are still peddling this garbage says a lot about your character deficiencies. You are attempting to smear a decorated Vietnam Veteran. Again, you should be ashamed, and should apologize for your earlier statements regarding Kerry and the Swift Boat vets.

I'll also note that I'm not surprised that Bush attempted to smear Kerry on this issue during the campaign. He also smeared John McCain during the 2000 Republican primary season, with advertisements in South Carolina.

Warchant88
03-03-2005, 06:12 PM
It really shows the poltical nature of this country. Hehe. The only reason a Republican votes for a Democrat is because the Dem saved his life. Kind of like the old boss days in the late 1800s. I hate your political beliefs, but I'm going to vote for you so that I can have a job that pays $5 a month.

Dead
03-03-2005, 06:15 PM
It's like this because the parties are so far apart ideologically. Anyone who says that the parties are very similar doesn't know what they are talking about.

This country is very ideologically divided. Look at the 2004 election map. Bush won 51-48% in the popular vote. He didn't win a single Northeastern state. Kerry didn't win a single Southern state. They split the Midwest, with Kerry winning out on the West Coast. Bush won the Rockies.

jaxmike
03-03-2005, 06:32 PM
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The swifties were proven wrong long ago, Mike, and the fact that you are still peddling this garbage says a lot about your character deficiencies.

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They were not "proven" wrong. Their charges were never answered by Kerry and the "facts" used to "prove" them wrong are the ones that they question.

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You are attempting to smear a decorated Vietnam Veteran.


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Here is what I wrote.

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don't get me wrong, i don't question the fact that kerry served his country and I respect that, I just think that if the swifties are right, then he has some 'splainin to do.

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I hardly call that smearing. on the other hand, my father was PERSONALLY offended by the true smearing that John Kerry did to him in front of the Senate.

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Again, you should be ashamed, and should apologize for your earlier statements regarding Kerry and the Swift Boat vets.


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I have every right to question the man who insulted my father with lies. I have good friends who were in Vietnam and almost all of them hate Kerry for what he did. He is pathetic as a person.

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I'll also note that I'm not surprised that Bush attempted to smear Kerry on this issue during the campaign.

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So Bush is the Swift Boat Vets? Funny, everything that Bush said about Kerry's service in Vietnam sickened me. Everything Bush said was positive even though almost EVERY thing Kerry did after Vietnam to the vets (and soldiers still there) was destructive and dishonest.

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He also smeared John McCain during the 2000 Republican primary season, with advertisements in South Carolina.

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I honestly don't remember what went down in SC.

Dead
03-03-2005, 06:37 PM
On one hand you say that you respect Kerry's service, and on the other you say that you have every right to question his service and that he is a pathetic person.

You just contradicted yourself.


As for SC, after McCain had won in New Hampshire, the Bush campaign knew they had to win South Carolina. They ran a push poll with the following question:
Would you be more likely or less likely to vote for John McCain for president if you knew he had fathered an illegitimate black child?

Shameful. This rumor was false. They led SC voters to believe that McCain had fathered an illegitimate black child, because they knew that a chunk of the people voting in SC's Republican primary would be bigots, and would be turned off to McCain.

BCPVP
03-03-2005, 06:39 PM
Mt. Smalls, you do realize that AG Gonzales DID NOT write the Justice Dept memo that sought to define torture, don't you?
You also realize that he's consistantly said he doesn't support nor believe in torture?

jaxmike
03-03-2005, 06:45 PM
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On one hand you say that you respect Kerry's service, and on the other you say that you have every right to question his service and that he is a pathetic person.

You just contradicted yourself.


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Respecting the fact that he served his country and then questioning his service is not a contradiction. I will always respect the fact that he served his country. I do not have to respect his actions in his service thouhg. Get the difference? I say he is a pathetic person because of his actions AFTER his service in Vietnam.


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As for SC, after McCain had won in New Hampshire, the Bush campaign knew they had to win South Carolina. They ran a push poll with the following question:
Would you be more likely or less likely to vote for John McCain for president if you knew he had fathered an illegitimate black child?

Shameful. This rumor was false. They led SC voters to believe that McCain had fathered an illegitimate black child, because they knew that a chunk of the people voting in SC's Republican primary would be bigots, and would be turned off to McCain.

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If that's true its pretty messed up. However, they never said that he had the way you wrote it. Underhanded, yes, but its politics.

Dead
03-03-2005, 06:46 PM
He cleared the memo in question and stated that Geneva Convention regulations should be rendered obsolete because valuable information could be obtained from Gitmo prisoners if our military and intelligence communities didn't have to abide by them.

I also believe that he contributed to creating a climate in which the Abu Ghraib events took place.

Dead
03-03-2005, 06:47 PM
Anatomy of a Smear Campaign (http://www.boston.com/news/globe/editorial_opinion/oped/articles/2004/03/21/the_anatomy_of_a_smear_campaign/)

"In South Carolina, Bush Republicans were facing an opponent who was popular for his straight talk and Vietnam war record. They knew that if McCain won in South Carolina, he would likely win the nomination. With few substantive differences between Bush and McCain, the campaign was bound to turn personal. The situation was ripe for a smear.

It didn't take much research to turn up a seemingly innocuous fact about the McCains: John and his wife, Cindy, have an adopted daughter named Bridget. Cindy found Bridget at Mother Theresa's orphanage in Bangladesh, brought her to the United States for medical treatment, and the family ultimately adopted her. Bridget has dark skin.

Anonymous opponents used "push polling" to suggest that McCain's Bangladeshi born daughter was his own, illegitimate black child. In push polling, a voter gets a call, ostensibly from a polling company, asking which candidate the voter supports. In this case, if the "pollster" determined that the person was a McCain supporter, he made statements designed to create doubt about the senator.

Thus, the "pollsters" asked McCain supporters if they would be more or less likely to vote for McCain if they knew he had fathered an illegitimate child who was black. In the conservative, race-conscious South, that's not a minor charge. We had no idea who made the phone calls, who paid for them, or how many calls were made. Effective and anonymous: the perfect smear campaign."

Proof enough? Bush knew about it. Karl Rove probably came up with the idea.

How do you get ignorant Southern bigots to vote for you? Smear your opponent and claim that he sired a black child out of wedlock. Pathetic.

jaxmike
03-03-2005, 06:49 PM
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He cleared the memo in question and stated that Geneva Convention regulations should be rendered obsolete because valuable information could be obtained from Gitmo prisoners if our military and intelligence communities didn't have to abide by them.

I also believe that he contributed to creating a climate in which the Abu Ghraib events took place.

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There is no question that the terrorists are not covered under Geneva.

Voltorb
03-03-2005, 06:55 PM
You shouldn't bother with such sources, Dead. If it's not from a reputable news source like Fox News it will have no effect. You'll probably just get a response like "Boston Globe... 'nough said."

jaxmike
03-03-2005, 06:55 PM
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Proof enough? Bush knew about it. Karl Rove probably came up with the idea.


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Where is your proof that they had prior knowledge of it? Where is the source of your speculation as to the origin of the idea?

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How do you get ignorant Southern bigots to vote for you? Smear your opponent and claim that he sired a black child out of wedlock. Pathetic.

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I certainly hope that you don't think that all Sourtherners are bigots. I acknoledge that unfortunately there are a few down here, but, I certainly do not feel that a generalization such as there is either fair, warranted, or wise.

Dead
03-03-2005, 06:56 PM
This is my last post before dinner, I promise. /images/graemlins/grin.gif

If jaxmike wants to find less biased sources, he can google "McCain and illegitimate and black", without the quotes. This will turn up about 10,000 links to this story, so he can get a Fox News report of it as well.

I'm here to help. /images/graemlins/wink.gif

For your convenience, jaxmike, the link to the google search page for this phrase is posted below

Google search for story in question (http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=mccain+and+illegitimate+and+black&b tnG=Google+Search)

Dead
03-03-2005, 06:58 PM
I never said that all Southerners are bigots. I just wanted to be more specific and say that I wasn't talking about bigots nationwide, but just Southern bigots.

I have family in the South and they certainly aren't bigots.

Sorry if I wasn't clear enough.

Later,
Dead

jaxmike
03-03-2005, 07:01 PM
But where is the "Smoking Gun" that shows Bush knew about it and that Rove orchestrated it?

MtSmalls
03-04-2005, 12:13 PM
Definition:Fascism, modern political ideology that seeks to regenerate the social, economic, and cultural life of a country by basing it on a heightened sense of national belonging or ethnic identity. Fascism rejects liberal ideas such as freedom and individual rights, and often presses for the destruction of elections, legislatures, and other elements of democracy. Despite the idealistic goals of fascism, attempts to build fascist societies have led to wars and persecutions that caused millions of deaths. As a result, fascism is strongly associated with right-wing fanaticism, racism, totalitarianism, and violence.


"political ideology that seeks to regenerate the social, economic, and cultural life of a country by basing it on a heightened sense of national belonging or ethnic identity"
"You're either with us or you're against us", The Bush Administration has consistently used the same fear tactics, including starting a war, to try and coalesce the population of the country behind him.


"Fascism rejects liberal ideas such as freedom and individual rights, and often presses for the destruction of elections, legislatures, and other elements of democracy."
See Patriot Act, prisoner retention at Gitmo, No Child Left Behind (federal government dictating to local school districts), Electronic Voting. Since his first (s)election, Bush has worked the government in a dictatorial manner, crushing even his own party members when they fail to goose step in line with his wishes. Even when the people that he supposedly serves indicate they have no interest in his agenda (see Social Security, Tax break II)

"attempts to build fascist societies have led to wars and persecutions that caused millions of deaths"
See Iraq

"fascism is strongly associated with right-wing fanaticism, racism, totalitarianism, and violence"
See DittoHeads, Ann Coulter Fans, Fox Viewers, Bush "It would be easier if I was a dictator", Iraq.

MtSmalls
03-04-2005, 12:14 PM
Ok Jax, on the subject of judicial nominees, put up or shut up. Pick ONE of the renominated judges (I believe there are about 20) and show me why they should be given life long appointments to the Federal Bench.

jaxmike
03-04-2005, 03:16 PM
Miguel Estrada. One of the most brilliant judicial minds in the country. Was prevented even getting a vote by the Dems because he was "too conservative". Meanwhile, in my opinion, the reason that he was not allowed a vote was because if he were appointed to the bench of the First Circuit (i believe that he DC area one he was nominated for) he would have likely been a nominee for any Supreme Court vacancy. Because he is Conservative, and a minority, he threatens the Liberals case that Republicans are racist, which clearly is not the case, thus threatening the scare tactics they use to get people to vote for them.

MtSmalls
03-04-2005, 05:40 PM
Miguel Estrade was nominated for a seat on the US Court of Appeals for the District of Columbia. This court to which Mr. Estrada was been nominated is unique among federal appellate courts in this country with exclusive appellate jurisdiction over a broad range of critical issues, including enforcement of key environmental, consumer, and worker protection laws. Even more key is being the main court for decisions concerning the separation of powers between the three branches of government.

Mr. Estrada has no judicial experience. i.e he has worked for the DOJ, clerked for several judges, but has yet to sit on the bench himself.

Estrada has expressed the view that Americans should not be permitted to turn to the judicial branch when legislative decisions harm fundamental constitutional freedoms.

As a lawyer in private practice, Estrada has sought to defend so-called anti-loitering statutes and ordinances. Federal and state courts, including the Supreme Court, have invalidated a number of these provisions as violating the First Amendment freedom to assembly and the due process clause of the Fourteenth Amendment. Estrada has even tried to argue that the NAACP should not be allowed to challenge such ordinances.

Estrada has sought to use the First Amendment as a shield for a large company that had been found guilty of deceptive advertising by the Federal Trade Commission. The D.C. Circuit Court of Appeals, including several judges appointed by Republican presidents, unanimously rejected his line of reasoning. Odd how he likes the first amendment to protect his corporate clients and not so much when applied to individuals.

In his capacity as an Assistant Solicitor General, Mr. Estrada submitted a brief to the Supreme Court as amicus curiae on behalf of the United States government in the case of United Mine Workers v. Bagwell, arguing that $52 million in contempt fines against the union should stand, notwithstanding the fact that the fines were imposed without allowing the union a jury trial on the charges. The Supreme Court ultimately rejected Mr. Estrada's position and vacated the fines, ruling that the imposition of the fines without a jury trial violated the Constitution.2

Its hard to make a case for him being as you put it "one of the most brilliant judcial minds" when he has virtually no experience in the case, and cannot find, according to his own Senate testimony, ONE decision from the Supremen Court in the last 50 years that he disagrees with.

Next CASE....

jaxmike
03-04-2005, 05:43 PM
I think he would have done a good job. Case closed.

MtSmalls
03-04-2005, 05:46 PM
So how exactly does "I think he would have done a good job" equate to "Democrats fear him because he exposes their racist tendencies"???

Go back to mainlining Fox and Limbaugh and Coulter, until you can actually present a case for something...