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Bizot
03-03-2005, 04:41 AM
No reads first orbit on the table here.


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Preflop: Hero is MP3 with A/images/graemlins/heart.gif, 6/images/graemlins/heart.gif.
<font color="#666666">4 folds</font>, MP2 calls, Hero calls, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, SB completes, BB checks.

Flop: (4 SB) T/images/graemlins/spade.gif, 6/images/graemlins/club.gif, K/images/graemlins/heart.gif <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font>
SB checks, BB checks, MP2 checks, Hero checks.

Turn: (2 BB) A/images/graemlins/spade.gif <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font>
SB checks, BB checks, MP2 checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">SB raises</font>, BB folds, MP2 calls, <font color="#CC3333">Hero 3-bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">SB caps</font>, MP2 calls, Hero calls.

River: (14 BB) Q/images/graemlins/spade.gif <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">SB bets</font>, MP2 calls, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 17 BB
Reef
03-03-2005, 04:45 AM
bet!
Bizot
03-03-2005, 05:42 AM
ya as soon as i checked it i thought i made a mistake /images/graemlins/frown.gif
Shillx
03-03-2005, 07:08 AM
Why not bet...

This is an auto bet dude.
Chris Daddy Cool
03-03-2005, 07:12 AM
sup bizot,

bizet.

oh yea! i rock!
Redd
03-03-2005, 10:41 AM
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Who bets this flop?

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I do, I do!
Buckmulligan
03-03-2005, 11:01 AM
If he bets, should he lay it down as soon as someone plays back at him, i.e. check raise or lead out on the turn, regardless of the card?
I have problems with these hands because it seems like they are no longer playable as soon as you have to make a call with them, despite your show of strength.
Thigh
03-03-2005, 11:20 AM
Help me out here. Why is this an auto bet...
jnh24
03-03-2005, 11:23 AM
I have a long way to go b/c I don't understand why betting here is good.

Is it because Hero is last to act? Nobody has shown any aggression? He has a pair with an overcard kicker? To take control of the hand?
tiltaholic
03-03-2005, 11:31 AM
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Is it because Hero is last to act?

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partially
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Nobody has shown any aggression?

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partially
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He has a pair with an overcard kicker?

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partially (not just an overcard, a mickyficky ace!)
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To take control of the hand?

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partially (likekly noone has a king, or even a ten)
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Because of the backdoor nut flush draw?

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ok, you didn't actually say that, but it's a reason

and, i good number of people might fold hands like Kx or Qx or Jx (ie, cleaning up outs) or they might fold a pair of tens (slim chance but possible with these weak tendencies)

the combination of all of these relatively small perks makes this a bet.
VBM
03-03-2005, 12:18 PM
you may have the best hand.

And if you don't have the best hand, you have 2-pr, trips &amp; back door flush outs to improve to the likely best hand by the river.

you also have position to act on subsequent streets so you can plan your play accordingly based on what cards fall and how the action unfolds in front of you.
Thigh
03-03-2005, 12:25 PM
I guess I was looking at it from the standpoint of a small pot, with what I thought was a marginal hand on the flop. I don't know if I would consider a 66's to be the best hand.

I understand what you're saying about the outs, but wouldn't you rather just take a free card here to try to get that 2nd pair, trips or flush draw?
TALLBrad
03-03-2005, 12:33 PM
I'd bet this flop, you have a weak made hand with some good redraws and you want a chance to get some people out of the hand. A straight draw will have odds to call, but all flushes are the backdoor variety.

The rest of the hand I'd play as you did, not sure what kind of draw/hand SB had.
JerseyTom
03-03-2005, 12:38 PM
Anyone else (i.e. in addition to me) raise this pre-flop? I think this makes the rest of the hand easier...


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iluzion
03-03-2005, 01:17 PM
what about the river? who else would have raised the river here? or am i just being my overaggressive self.
davelin
03-03-2005, 01:18 PM
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what about the river? who else would have raised the river here? or am i just being my overaggressive self.

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On a board like this, you probably don't want to put 2 bets in and definitely don't want to open the option of having to put 3 in there.
McGahee
03-03-2005, 02:06 PM
I'll bet that every time.