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sthief09

03-03-2005, 12:07 AM

I am a DONK. flop adn turn calls were attempts at a call raise. fair?

Party Poker 15/30 Hold'em (9 handed) converter (http://www.selachian.com/tools/bisonconverter/hhconverter.cgi)

Preflop: Hero is MP2 with 9/images/graemlins/spade.gif, 9/images/graemlins/heart.gif.
1 fold, UTG+1 calls, 1 fold, Hero raises, 2 folds, Button calls, 1 fold, BB calls, UTG+1 calls.

Flop: (8.66 SB) K/images/graemlins/heart.gif, 9/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, K/images/graemlins/diamond.gif (4 players)
BB checks, UTG+1 bets, Hero calls, Button calls, BB calls.

Turn: (6.33 BB) 4/images/graemlins/heart.gif (4 players)
BB checks, UTG+1 bets, Hero calls, Button calls, BB calls.

River: (10.33 BB) T/images/graemlins/diamond.gif (4 players)
BB checks, UTG+1 bets, Hero raises, Button folds, BB folds, UTG+1 3-bets, Hero caps, UTG+1 calls.

Final Pot: 18.33 BB

wuwei

03-03-2005, 12:11 AM

I dig it the most.

Just don't let them river a K, like I did in a similar hand yesterday. Well, similar except for that I capped the turn. So yah, on second thought, maybe you should raise the turn. Get some extra action out of the K, eh?

eric5148

03-03-2005, 12:12 AM

Why did you think you'd be able to call-raise the turn after button and BB called the flop?

sthief09

03-03-2005, 12:13 AM

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Why did you think you'd be able to call-raise the turn after button and BB called the flop?

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because that's what they'd do if they had a K. BB checking from first position then calling is particularly suspicious

eric5148

03-03-2005, 12:15 AM

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Why did you think you'd be able to call-raise the turn after button and BB called the flop?

because that's what they'd do if they had a K. BB checking from first position then calling is particularly suspicious

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But they wouldn't 3bet with a K?

sthief09

03-03-2005, 12:20 AM

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Why did you think you'd be able to call-raise the turn after button and BB called the flop?

because that's what they'd do if they had a K. BB checking from first position then calling is particularly suspicious

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But they wouldn't 3bet with a K?

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good point, but I don't think they would unless it had a big kicker. I think I should've raised the flop FWIW. I don't like posting hands I think I played well

Brunger

03-03-2005, 12:35 AM

Yeah raising earlier is usually best because you will get plenty of action if a king is out and a flush draw won't fold for any amount of bets. Button and big blind hands are played very strangly perhaps a gutshot str8 draw or a small pp. On the turn I can see how you thought one may have a king when 2 both find a reason to call the flop. Oh well we all wiff sometimes. /images/graemlins/laugh.gif

mtdoak

03-03-2005, 12:37 AM

haha, that damn avatar still cracks me up.

PokerBob

03-03-2005, 01:05 AM

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I am a DONK. flop adn turn calls were attempts at a call raise. fair?

Party Poker 15/30 Hold'em (9 handed) converter (http://www.selachian.com/tools/bisonconverter/hhconverter.cgi)

Preflop: Hero is MP2 with 9/images/graemlins/spade.gif, 9/images/graemlins/heart.gif.
1 fold, UTG+1 calls, 1 fold, Hero raises, 2 folds, Button calls, 1 fold, BB calls, UTG+1 calls.

Flop: (8.66 SB) K/images/graemlins/heart.gif, 9/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, K/images/graemlins/diamond.gif (4 players)
BB checks, UTG+1 bets, Hero calls, Button calls, BB calls.

Turn: (6.33 BB) 4/images/graemlins/heart.gif (4 players)
BB checks, UTG+1 bets, Hero calls, Button calls, BB calls.

River: (10.33 BB) T/images/graemlins/diamond.gif (4 players)
BB checks, UTG+1 bets, Hero raises, Button folds, BB folds, UTG+1 3-bets, Hero caps, UTG+1 calls.

Final Pot: 18.33 BB

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I must really be a donk, cuz I love this.

bobdibble

03-03-2005, 02:39 AM

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Why did you think you'd be able to call-raise the turn after button and BB called the flop?

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because that's what they'd do if they had a K. BB checking from first position then calling is particularly suspicious

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Unless he is ont the flush draw and isn't trying to pump the pot.

Catch of the Day

03-03-2005, 02:48 AM

I like it too. At least in my oppinion, this is a situation where a player has a little more room to play in a manner that they see fit (to some extent.). As long as the thinking behind the play is sound, then I think that this is fine. Although not the standard line, I think this play holds merit. I have heard that typically the 15/30 plays very agressive. Calling to induce a raise with a made hand on the flop seems fine. I think I woulda raised the turn though as flush draws will calls, as will any K.

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