What's the most you've been stuck for... $1 million dollars? [Archive]

Ray Of Light

03-02-2005, 07:48 PM

What is the most you have found yourself stuck for in just one night of poker... $100, $500, maybe $1000?

Well, how would you handle being stuck $1 million dollars in just one night :shock:...

To make it clear, I have no doubts about Negreanu's poker playing abilities, so I am not critising him at all. I am simply in awe at the amounts that big time pros play for...

Here is the recent excerpt from Daniel Negreanu's Daily Poker Blog...

I knew that the 4000-8000 mixed game was schedule to start at around 2:00pm today...

... When I sat down it was pretty much the same old crew, Doyle Brunson, Eli Elezra, Chau Giang, Gus Hansen, Chip Reese, and Phil Ivey. Before I sat down I'd already decided that I was going to play a long session and hopefully make a big score.

Well, so much for the "big score" plan. About 10 hours into play I was down about half a million dollars. Most of the high limit players were flying out in the morning to head back to Vegas, so at 5:00am it was just the losers left...

... Gus, Phil, and myself all decided to stay in San Diego all day and keep playing. Each of us was stuck (still losing) but I was clearly in the worst shape. At my low point, I topped the 1.3 million dollar mark...

... Nevertheless, I would have been happy to lose less than a million since I won $600,000 the night before. -$300,000 over two days wouldn't be all that bad I thought...

...So I kept plugging away and by hour number 25 I was within about $900,000 of being even. After winning two hundred thousand in a three way capped pot in pot limit Omaha I was back in business...

...After that pot I went on a rush of a lifetime. Not only did I get back within half a million, after 31 hours of play I ended the session down "just" $114,000. I went on a rush that saw me win $1.2 million in just a few hours.

I figured that to play the $4000/$8000 you would need a bankroll of $2million or more... and even that would be cutting it a bit fine...

To answer my own original question, the most I have been stuck for in one night is $165, since the highest level I have ever played so far has merely been $2/$4...

JohnnyHumongous

03-02-2005, 08:00 PM

I took it for $1850 one night/day in January on 10-20 6-max. This was largely due to tilt. I learned more lessons that night than any man deserves to learn his whole life.

NB- I'm not sure why but my style is such that, playing my best and no tilt, if I lost more than 1K straight (50BB) this would be VERY aberrant. The last time I lost more than 50BB before coming back to even was in January as well.

reid savid

03-02-2005, 08:08 PM

$3700 playing 30-60 LHE online. I usually don't play this game so it seemed like I was getting crushed. I stayed off tilt and ended up $250. I learned all the lessons that going broke teaches without actually going broke.

young nut

03-02-2005, 08:22 PM

$275 on an incredibly bad night of 2/4 for me.

Nate tha' Great

03-02-2005, 08:30 PM

Around $5K. However that night began with a $2K upswing so it was a $7K drop over the course of the session. Not good times.

bicyclekick

03-02-2005, 08:42 PM

In the past 2 weeks I've had a -9700 and a -9100 day. Those are the most...

mplspoker

03-02-2005, 08:43 PM

I lost 3k in 40 minutes onetime on PS 3060 multitabling. Took a break made some of it back later im the day. Another day i had a 7k upswing over 12 hours 8 tabling 15, and the last two hours dropped 4k

RED_RAIN

03-02-2005, 08:51 PM

3k when you take a shot at 50/100 with 40% seeing the flop and a little over 10 BB avg pot, got 2 hands, one with aces cracked, and other with runner runner Js to take most of the damage.

beachbum

03-02-2005, 08:53 PM

I know Phil Ivey was down ~1 mil in cash games during the WSOP last year only to come back and win ~2 mil the next day.

JohnnyHumongous

03-02-2005, 08:53 PM

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In the past 2 weeks I've had a -9700 and a -9100 day. Those are the most...

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Christ... out of curiosity did you get big-league recently? I notice your best month was Feb. and your worst days have been last 2 weeks... Did you move up in limits? Or did you jack up the variance... or some combo of the two?

JohnnyHumongous

03-02-2005, 08:55 PM

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I know Phil Ivey was down ~1 mil in cash games during the WSOP last year only to come back and win ~2 mil the next day.

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I assume he slept like garbage that night /images/graemlins/shocked.gif

bicyclekick

03-02-2005, 09:14 PM

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In the past 2 weeks I've had a -9700 and a -9100 day. Those are the most...

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Christ... out of curiosity did you get big-league recently? I notice your best month was Feb. and your worst days have been last 2 weeks... Did you move up in limits? Or did you jack up the variance... or some combo of the two?

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I'm still a new guy when it comes to poker. Tons to learn. By no means big-league. I've just been taking shots at bigger games (up to 100/200, but mostly 40/80 and 50/100) lately. So far, so good. In terms of BB, those days were like -40BB days. Just gotta look at the big picture.

Evan

03-02-2005, 09:16 PM

$3,400 in an awesome day of 10/20 6 max.

JohnnyHumongous

03-02-2005, 09:44 PM

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I'm still a new guy when it comes to poker. Tons to learn. By no means big-league. I've just been taking shots at bigger games (up to 100/200, but mostly 40/80 and 50/100) lately. So far, so good. In terms of BB, those days were like -40BB days. Just gotta look at the big picture.

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cool. when did you start playing?

fsuplayer

03-02-2005, 10:34 PM

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Around $5K. However that night began with a $2K upswing so it was a $7K drop over the course of the session. Not good times.

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i had two very similar days last week. it wasnt the way I wanted to end my best month ever. /images/graemlins/crazy.gif

bicyclekick

03-02-2005, 10:54 PM

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I'm still a new guy when it comes to poker. Tons to learn. By no means big-league. I've just been taking shots at bigger games (up to 100/200, but mostly 40/80 and 50/100) lately. So far, so good. In terms of BB, those days were like -40BB days. Just gotta look at the big picture.

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cool. when did you start playing?

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End of October of last year. So like 16 months?

TimM

03-02-2005, 11:34 PM

I'd feel good about being stuck a million.

Because for me to let that happen, I'd have to be worth many millions. /images/graemlins/smile.gif

Yobz

03-02-2005, 11:43 PM

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I'd feel good about being stuck a million.

Because for me to let that happen, I'd have to be worth many millions. /images/graemlins/smile.gif

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JihadOnTheRiver

03-03-2005, 12:17 AM

10K for (literally) 20 minutes and 4 hands of WPT fun.

-Fatwa

NateDog

03-03-2005, 12:47 AM

$400 at 4/8 full kill live. Was all in at one point, and hit the river. Ended the day down $6 and nicely drunk /images/graemlins/smile.gif

imported_transmitt

03-03-2005, 01:31 AM

$3000 in one night playing $10-$20 5-max.

- mitt

ace_in_the_hole

03-03-2005, 01:39 AM

Today has actually been my worst day to date, I'm down $190 so far and I ahve 1 hour left in my night session. It is due in part to me moving from the $25 NL/PL tables to the 50's.

bunky9590

03-03-2005, 01:48 AM

just over a dime. Nothing major.

Evan

03-03-2005, 01:57 AM

I'm calling BS here. I can't believe you've never lost more than a grand playing 20/40 and 5/10 6 max. If so that is pretty surprising.

goofball

03-03-2005, 02:09 AM

i lost 4k one day playing 80/160 at the bellagio.

Chris Daddy Cool

03-03-2005, 02:10 AM

i've had 2 seperate occcassions of being stuck 10k in one day.

i think my all time worst is Januray 4th, where i took a $12,380 hit.

fsuplayer

03-03-2005, 02:12 AM

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I'm calling BS here. I can't believe you've never lost more than a grand playing 20/40 and 5/10 6 max. If so that is pretty surprising.

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i agree, this doesnt sound right.

i routinely have $2k swings on the 20 games.

reddred

03-03-2005, 02:15 AM

My question is where did these guys, especially the younger ones like Negraneau and Ivey, get their bankroll to begin with.....seems like they must have come from $, b/c your average 20 something out of college doesn't have that kind of $, and I have a hard time believing they spent much time at the $1/2 table building there bankroll up to be playing 4k/8k at the Bellagio

Aytumious

03-03-2005, 02:30 AM

It should be pretty obvious they earned their money at the poker tables.

imported_transmitt

03-03-2005, 03:20 AM

They built their bankroll by playing poker. You know you always hear guys talking about "paying your dues"? Well, that's what pros like Negreanu and Ivey did. They started at the low limits, let's say $1-$2 just as example (I have no idea what limit either of them actually began at). They put in the time, effort, losses, then learned to beat $1-$2, then built a bankroll for $2-$4, learned to beat $2-$4, and then built a bankroll big enough for $3-$6. They did this all the way up till the point that they had a bankroll of sufficient size and the skill to play $4000-$8000 game at the Bellagio.

- mitt

Yobz

03-03-2005, 03:22 AM

Just today, biggest since I started: 1,100 =(

stinkypete

03-03-2005, 03:32 AM

i dropped $3500 today. it hurts.

i made almost half of it back though, and i'm up ~$300 since yesterday afternoon, so it's not all bad.

suggestion: don't go on tilt 4-tabling $15/$30.

Reef

03-03-2005, 03:33 AM

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10K for (literally) 20 minutes and 4 hands of WPT fun.

-Fatwa

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did you call a limp reraise all in w/ K's?

Reef

03-03-2005, 03:34 AM

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suggestion: don't go on tilt 4-tabling $15/$30.

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I'll make a mental note of it

Reef

03-03-2005, 03:35 AM

100BB at 2/4

Edge34

03-03-2005, 03:58 AM

I dropped a little over a dime in the 30/60 at C-bury when I decided to take a shot. Played fine, but the luck was not with me.

Of course, I dropped about 100BB's at the 12/22/04 massacre there when the lineup consisted of BanditBDL (Brian#2), Milo, Schneids, Myself, Gonores, two random guys, BK (Brian#1), and another random. Good times. Good [censored]' times. /images/graemlins/tongue.gif

beachbum

03-03-2005, 04:06 AM

Ivey has been a gambler all his life. The guy is the iceman under pressure. Nothing bothers him. Hell he was hiding under the table with Lindgren when that casino in France was being robbed. Arieh was pissing his pants, but Phil was telling E-dawg he wanted to double up that hand.

I heard Ivey was hustling people at Pac-Man when he was a kid. He knew the pattern and could beat the game every time, so he just kept taking people's money when they took bets against him.

Those guys have played the highest limits they could barely afford to play. If they took hits, they would drop back down, rebuild their bankroll and try the bigger games again. Eventually after enough tries, they'd beat the bigger games.

From what I know, Ivey didn't go to college either.

Reef

03-03-2005, 04:40 AM

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Of course, I dropped about 100BB's at the 12/22/04 massacre there when the lineup consisted of BanditBDL (Brian#2), Milo, Schneids, Myself, Gonores, two random guys, BK (Brian#1), and another random. Good times. Good [censored]' times. /images/graemlins/tongue.gif

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bad table selection

Schneids

03-03-2005, 07:07 AM

In a couple hour stretch: $8500.

Schneids

03-03-2005, 07:09 AM

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Of course, I dropped about 100BB's at the 12/22/04 massacre there when the lineup consisted of BanditBDL (Brian#2), Milo, Schneids, Myself, Gonores, two random guys, BK (Brian#1), and another random. Good times. Good [censored]' times. /images/graemlins/tongue.gif

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bad table selection

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If I remember correctly he also spent part of his time seated directly between me and Gonores... A sure fire way to lose a lot of chips while we tangoed with every street multiple bets or caps.

bunky9590

03-03-2005, 08:27 AM

Read my post carefully, just over a dime. To be precise I think its like $1,070 for the 5-10 6 max in a session, and its no more that a dime for the 20-40. I have a stop loss for live play. After all, I live like 30 miles from teh Borgata, its not like I can't get there. /images/graemlins/wink.gif

bunky9590

03-03-2005, 08:30 AM

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i routinely have $2k swings on the 20 games.

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Maybe its cause you suck? /images/graemlins/blush.gif

Just kidding /images/graemlins/wink.gif. I set a stop loss at 25 BB for live play unless the game is really good, Ive never lost the 25 BB. I dont really get to play super long sessions live. 8 hours is about the max anymore with the wife and kid. You'll see someday.

lefty rosen

03-03-2005, 08:30 AM

I have friend who grew up with Daniel. Daniel dropped out of highschool and played in the mob run underground games in Toronto. When Toronto had legal casinos that rotated across the city he played in them. When he turned 21 he started going to Vegas built a roll up and never looked back.......

bunky9590

03-03-2005, 08:31 AM

Funny that I flourished in the same type on environment.

Game with James282, gonores, FSUPlayer, and sfer, I left the table up 30BB. /images/graemlins/smirk.gif

einbert

03-03-2005, 08:44 AM

Just $500 during a bad night of 3/6 full for me.

I'm sure that number will be increasing soon enough.

fsuplayer

03-03-2005, 08:49 AM

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I have friend who grew up with Daniel. Daniel dropped out of highschool and played in the mob run underground games in Toronto. When Toronto had legal casinos that rotated across the city he played in them. When he turned 21 he started going to Vegas built a roll up and never looked back.......

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im pretty sure that he played in the charity casinos in canada.

cardcounter0

03-03-2005, 08:58 AM

Tommy Angelo plays for a living. He figured he needed about 2 million dollars over the course of the rest of his life to live on. So the way he looks at things, he was down 2 million before he played his first hand. I think he has won some of that back since then.
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Paul2432

03-03-2005, 10:24 AM

On-line: ~$3500
B&M: ~$1000
B&M house games: ~$3000 (mostly craps and BJ) (long time ago before on-line poker, before poker in AC)

Paul

hawkeye

03-03-2005, 11:06 AM

Playing at Harrahs East Chicago a couple years ago I took one on the chin for a little more than $1,600 in an 8 hour session.

That night the $10-$20 and $20-$40 games both got short around 2 a.m. and one of the $20-$40 guys asked us (the $10-$20 players) if we wanted to play $15-$30. The floor said it was ok and we all grabbed seats at the $20-$40 table.

When we combined the games I was down maybe $150 for the night. I ended up getting destroyed when my top pair, top kicker hands got crushed by baby sets and small two pairs.

The hour or two playing $15-$30 put a nice sized dent (or not so nice) in my $10-$20 bankroll.

AviD

03-03-2005, 11:24 AM

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In the past 2 weeks I've had a -9700 and a -9100 day. Those are the most...

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Someone sticky this...bike actually LOST on not one, but TWO days!!! Party's rigged, TROOF!!! /images/graemlins/grin.gif

bicyclekick

03-03-2005, 02:32 PM

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In the past 2 weeks I've had a -9700 and a -9100 day. Those are the most...

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Someone sticky this...bike actually LOST on not one, but TWO days!!! Party's rigged, TROOF!!! /images/graemlins/grin.gif

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And another 5k yesterday. Haha. There was a 200/400 game with 33% players to the flop. Fantastic game. Course I had to get disconnected right after raising QQ and when you get disc it folds your hand. Gd. Dropped like 3500 in that game. Only played 45 hands and then the table broke. So...down 15k last 2 days. /images/graemlins/wink.gif

Schneids

03-03-2005, 02:40 PM

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In the past 2 weeks I've had a -9700 and a -9100 day. Those are the most...

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Someone sticky this...bike actually LOST on not one, but TWO days!!! Party's rigged, TROOF!!! /images/graemlins/grin.gif

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Those losses weren't on Party Poker. But yes, Party is rigged. /images/graemlins/smirk.gif

The truth of the story is that variance is starting to catch up to BK. /images/graemlins/tongue.gif

worm33

03-03-2005, 02:50 PM

if u never quit stuck, u never lose.

Diplomat

03-03-2005, 03:02 PM

-15K in a 4-handed B+M 200-400. I managed to salvage a -8k loss for the day, but it still sucked ass, given how good the game was.

A better way to measure this though is how many BB's you've been stuck at one time, otherwise it's just a matter of who plays higher. For the record: -120 BB in a 4-handed B+M 20-40 game, but managed to swing that back to +20 BB. That's right, a 140 BB swing on one table. Good game. Looooong session.

-Diplomat

Diplomat

03-03-2005, 03:02 PM

...Or you go broke.

-Diplomat

JihadOnTheRiver

03-03-2005, 03:15 PM

bunky9590

03-03-2005, 03:47 PM

Jesus, no wonder why you weren't in the mood to talk. Just tell me to go eff off next time. /images/graemlins/blush.gif

Turn the ship around my friend. Oh yeah, still need an avatar. /images/graemlins/smirk.gif

imported_stealthcow

03-03-2005, 04:27 PM

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I have friend who grew up with Daniel. Daniel dropped out of highschool and played in the mob run underground games in Toronto. When Toronto had legal casinos that rotated across the city he played in them. When he turned 21 he started going to Vegas built a roll up and never looked back.......

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from what i've heard playing in toronto, those charity casinos had some of the juiciest 10/20 games in the history of poker

stealthcow-

joeboe2001

03-03-2005, 04:49 PM

$400 from 10:00-10:30 A.M.$5/$10 game on Pacific Poker on Saturday, May 29, 2004.

A memorable experience!

Jeffage

03-03-2005, 06:17 PM

I won't call BS, bc I believe Bunky is trustwortyh, but if this is true, you are either runnning very good or have very strict loss limits you adhere too. I think anyone who plays 20-40 regularly will experience some 2k daily losses. Live, I've lost 3k at 30-60 before...online, don't ask lol.

Jeff

bobbyi

03-03-2005, 06:54 PM

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I'm calling BS here. I can't believe you've never lost more than a grand playing 20/40 and 5/10 6 max. If so that is pretty surprising.

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I think it's possible. I play 20/40 and have played 30/60 a few times and I've never been up or down more than $1500, although I've been right around there several times. My variance is pretty low and I usually only play 5 hour sessions. I don't even bring more than $2k with me when I go to the casino.

Schneids

03-03-2005, 06:57 PM

Wow that's pretty impressive. When I go to Canterbury I NEED to bring at least $3000, and usually $4000. If I only brought $2000 for 30/60 there'd be a lot of days when I'd be sitting with less than 12BBs in front of me at some point.

bobbyi

03-03-2005, 06:58 PM

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-120 BB in a 4-handed B+M 20-40 game, but managed to swing that back to +20 BB.

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Wow.

bobbyi

03-03-2005, 07:01 PM

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If I only brought $2000 for 30/60 there'd be a lot of days when I'd be sitting with less than 12BBs in front of me at some point.

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I've only played 30/60 a couple times. This is pretty much all 20/40. I'm sure if I started playing 30/60 regularly I would need to bring more money since the $2k is cutting it close for 20/40. There's almost always a 20/40 going and I feel that 30/60 is a bit too high for me right now, so I always head to the casino intending to play 20/40, but there have been a few times that there was no 20/40 going and a good 30/60, so then I end up over there rather than playing the 10/20.

Oilcan

03-03-2005, 08:07 PM

Yes. The 1st yr of the moving Toronto charity casinos were the juicest games.

Unfortunately, I never started until 10 months into it.. /images/graemlins/frown.gif

BradL

03-03-2005, 08:23 PM

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I figured that to play the $4000/$8000 you would need a bankroll of $2million

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By what logic does this make sense? Do we put too much emphasis on bankroll or do some of the top tournament pros simply ignore it? I read another article by Negreanu where he mentioned his bankroll before he hit the bigtime. 2000 for i what I believe was a 20/40 game...

Edit: I realize that it is 250bb but one would think bankroll requirements would be higher in a game (where everyone is of a very high caliber) where expected win rate would likely fall significantly below 1bb/hour.

-Brad

BradL

03-03-2005, 08:43 PM

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$3,400 in an awesome day of 10/20 6 max.

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About the same for me too. 3k over a very long day of 10/20 6max.

-Brad

BradL

03-03-2005, 08:50 PM

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im pretty sure that he played in the charity casinos in canada.

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bunky9590

03-03-2005, 09:06 PM

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I won't call BS, bc I believe Bunky is trustworty

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You're alright jeff, I don't care what they say about you.

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you are either runnning very good or have very strict loss limits you adhere too.

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I have a 25-30 BB loss limit for live play. Living as close to the casino as I do, theres always tomorrow.
Online I dont have any stop loss limits playing 4 tables.

Justin A

03-03-2005, 09:34 PM

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I figured that to play the $4000/$8000 you would need a bankroll of $2million

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By what logic does this make sense? Do we put too much emphasis on bankroll or do some of the top tournament pros simply ignore it? I read another article by Negreanu where he mentioned his bankroll before he hit the bigtime. 2000 for i what I believe was a 20/40 game...

Edit: I realize that it is 250bb but one would think bankroll requirements would be higher in a game (where everyone is of a very high caliber) where expected win rate would likely fall significantly below 1bb/hour.

-Brad

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This is right on the money. Guys that are winning in this game have to have such low winrates in terms of bb/hour that their variance is huge. 300 big bets is nowhere near a bankroll for this game.

Tommy Angelo

03-03-2005, 11:16 PM

The most I ever lost was everything.

SomethingClever

03-03-2005, 11:31 PM

75 BB in 300 hands.

So far in March I'm running -5.7 BB/100 /images/graemlins/tongue.gif

Diplomat

03-04-2005, 04:42 AM

We are talking poker only here Tommy, not your mind.

-Diplomat

fearme

03-04-2005, 06:21 AM

between 7-8 k maybe 8, then i quit for the day!!! im so smart!!! i couldnt think logically anymore

Jeffage

03-04-2005, 11:29 AM

With a 4 hour drive, I unfortunately don't have this option /images/graemlins/cool.gif. Though, if I'm stuck a couple racks, I typically evaluate whether I'm still playing well and whether the game is still worth my time before pulling out another wad of bills...If I don't like it, I may switch tables. Cya around.

PS. What do they say?

PPS. It's interesting you have a stop loss for live play b/c the casino is so close, but no stop/loss for online which is so close you can play in your underwear. Is it that at some point losing paper money (which you can instantly feel) gets too irritating. The last time I played Borgata 40-80, I was stuck 3 racks and SERIOUSLY considering leaving. But the game was so good I figured it was +EV to stay. I ended up making a 5 rack turnaround. I think if you're a good player (and you clearly are) and you are not in bankroll risk territory, playing through when you're losing big can be the right thing to do if the game is very good. Just some thoughts...you gotta do what works for you.

Jeff

evilganz

03-04-2005, 11:34 AM

2K, at 10/20. I'm playing lower now (I made a profit in the game over a few months, but not enough to justify the variance).

And half a million in a day back when I was trading. "Only" 400K of that was mine, though. That was the day after MLK weekend in 2001, two weeks into the year, and it brought me back to even on the year. Those were some crazy times.

sfer

03-04-2005, 11:52 AM

Wow. I've ripped through a dime at just 10/20 inside of like an hour. The local 10/20 game can be way LAG.

bunky9590

03-04-2005, 12:14 PM

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PS. What do they say?

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Nothing at all. Just a line I use too often. /images/graemlins/cool.gif

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PPS. It's interesting you have a stop loss for live play b/c the casino is so close, but no stop/loss for online which is so close you can play in your underwear. Is it that at some point losing paper money (which you can instantly feel) gets too irritating.

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Well, not necessarily. You never like dropping a dime, but my problem is with time. I'm married with a daughter that is almost 5 and a hectic work schedule. I never have more than say 8-10 hours to play anyway. Its rare if I ever dropp the 25-30 bets in that time, happens, but is rare. Also most of my roll is online aside from about 5 dimes. I can move $$ around but Seems like right now with my roll the way it is set up, I don't want to drop more than a dime/session live. I don't get to the Borgata much, though on occassion I do. I'll actually be down Sat night for dinner, but probably will not play. I will be down either Mon. Tues. or Wed. night due to some people coming down that I haven't met yet. Let me know when you'll be down, we gotta hook up one day.

P.S. i'll be in the 40-80 before the year is out. /images/graemlins/grin.gif

Gregg