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sthief09
03-01-2005, 09:16 PM
Trix and I were discussing a hand that was posted. I think it's an easy raise. he thinks limping is more profitable.
A8s UTG+2. UTG and UTG+1, both loose passive idiots, limp. the rest of the table is pretty loose too.
raise or limp?
gaming_mouse
03-01-2005, 09:18 PM
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Depends on how tight the rest of the table is. If you can fold most of them out, I'd raise. If not, I'd limp.
pokerkai
03-01-2005, 09:26 PM
I like raising if I think I can isolate the loose passives, and take the pot if they miss. But if they are your standard call down to the river with any pair or dry ace...Id prefer to limp behind
stanky
03-01-2005, 09:30 PM
Dude your avatar is just wrong. I limp
-Pete
crunchy1
03-01-2005, 09:33 PM
I prefer limping but I play Party 2/4 where I'm calling these hands for big pot potential and I'm content to allow the rest of the field trail on in. I'm looking to make top-2 or better on the flop it's pretty easy to get away from if I don't.
If you limp you're only committed to the hand if you flop a set or a big flush draw. Anything else is easy to get away from with other limpers behind you.
If you raise a tight table you're going to get 3-bet by any hand better than yours and will know pretty well where you stand.
If you raise with loose/unknown players behind you risk cold-calls by these players which makes it hard to put them on a hand after the flop - especially if you flop a marginal hand like overcards w/backdoor straight draw where you can't be sure that a hit to either will hold up at showdown yet the pot is probably going to be giving you odds to draw.
Michael Davis
03-01-2005, 09:35 PM
I'm reporting your avatar. I hope you get banned for good this time.
-Michael
sthief09
03-01-2005, 09:39 PM
i like cartoons. i want an answer to my question
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But if they are your standard call down to the river with any pair or dry ace...Id prefer to limp behind
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If they are of this type, do you really mind them coldcalling?
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I'm looking to make top-2 or better on the flop it's pretty easy to get away from if I don't.
If you limp you're only committed to the hand if you flop a set or a big flush draw. Anything else is easy to get away from with other limpers behind you.
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If I flop an Ace I'm rarely folding.
chesspain
03-01-2005, 09:43 PM
I wish you'ld get rid of that avatar. My ten year old daughter walked by while I was on earlier today and she said "Oh, that looks cute."
sthief09
03-01-2005, 09:45 PM
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I wish you'ld get rid of that avatar. My ten year old daughter walked by while I was on earlier today and she said "Oh, that looks cute."
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it's a completely unoffensive cartoon
private joker
03-01-2005, 09:48 PM
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If you limp you're only committed to the hand if you flop a set or a big flush draw. Anything else is easy to get away from with other limpers behind you.
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It's impossible to flop a set with A8s. At least learn proper poker vocabulary if you're going to post on the forum.
(Obligatory smiley icon so people don't think I'm being a dick: /images/graemlins/smile.gif )
Michael Davis
03-01-2005, 09:58 PM
The guys at mid-high stakes have calmed me down a lot preflop. I would limp with this hand.
I think one of the problems is that you are going to be correctly coldcalled a lot because of the limpers, and the coldcalls are even more correct because all you're effing holding is A8s.
But, the truth is that I draw the line at A9s. I don't think exploring the answer to your question in-depth is going to be a worthwhile expenditure of time. And given the old Sklansky thread about ATs, how can A8s suited be that much different? You have two idiots limping in playing far worse hands and that alone means you're making money on every dollar that goes into the pot as long as there isn't a monster lurking behind you.
And obviously I'm not reporting your avatar.
-Michael
pokerkai
03-01-2005, 10:02 PM
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But if they are your standard call down to the river with any pair or dry ace...Id prefer to limp behind
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If they are of this type, do you really mind them coldcalling?
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Was talking about the limpers. If I iso them, Id like to be able to take this pot down with a flop or turn bet a decent amount of times. If they are always going to make me showdown a hand, why not just limp behind and make it a big multiway pot.
My bad. I think the interesting thing here isn't the limpers but the potential coldcallers behind you. If I was the CO or button I would always raise 2 loose limpers with A8s regardless of whether I need to get to showdown to win because I can toss my hand and I have position. They don't have position, and since they will get to showdown with lots of crap, they, by nature, can't toss their hand.
chief444
03-01-2005, 10:10 PM
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the rest of the table is pretty loose too.
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Then I just limp. If MP1-Button are mostly tight then I probably raise.
BottlesOf
03-01-2005, 10:44 PM
Eisenstein would be proud.
private joker
03-01-2005, 10:54 PM
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Eisenstein would be proud.
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Don't worry, dude, I got this reference. Ni han.
http://www.usspotemkin.com/summer03/images/potemkin-odessa.gif
mr pink
03-01-2005, 11:09 PM
A + B = C
Actually, I'm pretty sure Sergei would be turned on.
The avatar makes me want to get a burrito. And swallow it.
Schizo
03-01-2005, 11:24 PM
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And given the old Sklansky thread about ATs,
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Linky?
Schizo
03-01-2005, 11:25 PM
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Don't worry, dude, I got this reference. Ni han.
http://www.usspotemkin.com/summer03/images/potemkin-odessa.gif
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What the hell is that?
Michael Davis
03-01-2005, 11:26 PM
I have no idea where it is, but it had to do with having ATs after a few limpers and how not raising was a criminal mistake, worse than limping with 72o or something.
-Michael
mr pink
03-01-2005, 11:26 PM
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The avatar makes me want to get a burrito. And swallow it.
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qué?
mr pink
03-01-2005, 11:28 PM
the odessa steps scene from battleship potemkin...
standard intro cinematography ish
private joker
03-01-2005, 11:30 PM
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What the hell is that?
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It's a shot from Eisentein's film "Battleship Potemkin," where his famous "Odessa Steps" sequence (about the Russian Revolution) is known for pioneering radical editing in cinema. At the time, editing was a neanderthal art, used just to clumsily put shots together to tell a coherent story. But with "Potemkin," Eisenstein showed how editing could also evoke a particular emotion and do more than tell a story -- it could comment and shock and provide a rhythm.
The idea is that sthief's avatar changes the interpretation of the animated images through editing two incongruous shots together in order to provoke a pornographic reading.
End of class. Schizo -- take film 101. It's fun.
Schizo
03-01-2005, 11:37 PM
Damn Private, what's your major? (school wise)
Schizo
03-01-2005, 11:40 PM
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I have no idea where it is, but it had to do with having ATs after a few limpers and how not raising was a criminal mistake, worse than limping with 72o or something.
-Michael
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Sounds like a great article. It must be in the archives because it didn't show up in my search. If only I had started studying poker a year ago. /images/graemlins/frown.gif
PokerBob
03-02-2005, 01:46 AM
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Trix and I were discussing a hand that was posted. I think it's an easy raise. he thinks limping is more profitable.
A8s UTG+2. UTG and UTG+1, both loose passive idiots, limp. the rest of the table is pretty loose too.
raise or limp?
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I limp. These donks may have junk, but their junk may not be that far behind you preflop. Plus too many potential hands behind you that could have you in trouble. Also if you raise, you may fold out Ax. Do you really want them gone? That said, I don't think raising is horrific.
me454555
03-02-2005, 02:41 AM
If you were in lp, this is a much easier raise b/c you have a chance to buy the button, take control of the hand, and get a free card if you want. In this case, raising won't accomplish any of that.
Your reasons for raising here are that you believe you have a significant pot edge equity in which you can exploit. Since you are still in EP, 6 players haven't shown hands yet and could have a better hand than yours. You also don't necessarly have a much stronger hand than your 2 limping opponents.
This seems like an easy limp to me.
private joker
03-02-2005, 05:22 AM
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Damn Private, what's your major? (school wise)
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I got a Bachelor's in Philosophy and a Master's in Film Production.
I think there was an Ed Miller quiz like that, except you where in late position...
feelixthegreek
03-02-2005, 12:07 PM
Then DePalma ripped it off in "The Untouchables." (regarding Potemkin, not A8s).
mr pink
03-02-2005, 12:09 PM
spielberg is also a big fan of eisenstein.
fryKing
03-02-2005, 05:37 PM
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Then DePalma ripped it off in "The Untouchables." (regarding Potemkin, not A8s).
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DePalma would definitely raise A8s here, he's a LAG.
B Dids
03-02-2005, 06:54 PM
I was listening to the album in your avatar yesterday. Awesome stuff.
Clarkmeister
03-02-2005, 07:00 PM
I raise if there are people behind me who will fold some better aces because of it.
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