2 HANDS - PARTY 200NL

[LuvDemNutz]

HAND 1 -

Villain is loose - not overly aggressive.
This is a pretty boring hand but I want to discuss the merits of firing another shell on the turn and/or river. I have problems with these situations.

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Hero ($171.3)
SB ($192)
BB ($327.1)
UTG :#A500AF(Villain)/ ($339.5)
UTG+1 ($496.4)
UTG+2 ($706.45)
MP1 ($176.6)
MP2 ($177)
MP3 ($100.1)
CO ($440.5)

Preflop: Hero is Button with K/images/graemlins/club.gif, A/images/graemlins/club.gif.
UTG :#A500AF(Villain)/ calls $4, <font color="#666666">6 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $18</font>, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, UTG :#A500AF(Villain)/ calls $14.

Flop: ($42) 6/images/graemlins/heart.gif, Q/images/graemlins/club.gif, 8/images/graemlins/heart.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
Villain checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $24</font>, Villain calls $24.

Turn: ($90) 6/images/graemlins/club.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
Villain checks, Hero checks.

River: ($90) 2/images/graemlins/diamond.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
Villain checks, Hero checks.

Final Pot: $90

HAND 2 - More interesting - Villain is a rock according to limited PT stats. But, I've seen Villian play marginal hands aggressively.

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Hero ($379.3)
UTG+1 ($200)
MP1 ($327.1)
MP2 ($496.4)
CO ($684.15)
Button ($159.4)
SB ($104.1)
BB ($239.5)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with J/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, K/images/graemlins/diamond.gif.
Hero calls $4, UTG+1 calls $4, <font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, Button calls $4, SB completes, BB checks.

Flop: ($20) K/images/graemlins/heart.gif, 2/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, 6/images/graemlins/heart.gif <font color="#0000FF">(5 players)</font>
SB checks, BB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $11</font>, UTG+1 folds, Button folds, SB folds, <font color="#CC3333">BB raises to $35</font>, Hero calls $24.

Turn: ($90) K/images/graemlins/club.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">BB bets $55</font>, Hero calls $55.

River: ($200) 7/images/graemlins/spade.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">BB bets $100</font>, Hero calls $100.

Final Pot: $400

All comments are appreciated.

[voltron87b]

In hand 1 I think you can definitely fire another, slightly larger caliber shell on the turn. If that is called and you get no help on the river it's a check unless you have a read that he will chase draws and fold on the end.

Hand 2 looks good all around. I'm not sure I want the pot getting too much bigger.

[citanul]

wrong forum

[HoldEm_Hero]

Hand 1
I'd like to see the turn bet as your odds increased when you picked up the flush draw also a bet here might possibly trigger a laydown. I assume he took it down with a small PP.

Hand 2
I would say fold after the flop bet got raised but in your case I would have also minraised the turn and folded to a reraise and that probably would have saved you money in that he would have looked for a river bet if you still felt you were behind u could have checked behind. I dunno, both lines look pretty weak to me.

[MrTop]

In hand 2, I dunno if I would have called the check raise on the flop. It looks to me like you are in trouble here and it might cost you a bundle.

[LuvDemNutz]

[ QUOTE ]
Hand 1
I'd like to see the turn bet as your odds increased when you picked up the flush draw also a bet here might possibly trigger a laydown. I assume he took it down with a small PP.

Hand 2
I would say fold after the flop bet got raised but in your case I would have also minraised the turn and folded to a reraise and that probably would have saved you money in that he would have looked for a river bet if you still felt you were behind u could have checked behind. I dunno, both lines look pretty weak to me.

[/ QUOTE ]

Hand 1 - What do you suggest betting on the turn - 1/2 pot?

Hand 2 - This is what I was thinking (after the hand) -
so minraise the turn and fold to a reraise? What if villain calls the raise and leads the river - still a clear fold?

[Gargoyle]

In hand one you need to come out stronger on the turn, bet at least 1/2 the pot if not more. if he calls there checking behind him on the river is fine, because he either has a pair he's commited to, or he's got a busted draw that your AK is likely to beat anyway.
Hand two I think you need to either make a strong reraise on the flop or just throw it away.