PP against 1 over OOP.

[kongo_totte]

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ Hero (10 handed) converter (http://www.selachian.com/tools/bisonconverter/hhconverter.cgi)

UTG+2 ($5.45)
MP1 ($28.35)
MP2 ($24.83)
MP3 ($23.4)
CO ($29.65)
Button ($53.35)
SB ($75.95)
Hero ($25)
UTG ($23.5)
UTG+1 ($9.8)

Preflop: Hero is BB with J/images/graemlins/club.gif, J/images/graemlins/spade.gif. SB posts a blind of $0.1.
<font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, UTG+2 calls $0.25, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">MP3 raises to $2</font>, <font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, Hero calls $1.75, UTG+2 calls $1.75.

Flop: ($6.10) 9/images/graemlins/spade.gif, K/images/graemlins/spade.gif, 2/images/graemlins/club.gif <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $4</font>, UTG+2 folds, MP3 folds.

Final Pot: $10.10

Thoughts?

[casmells]

thats my line

[djoyce003]

Why no re-raise? Depending on the opponent of course...if he's weak tight, I probably just call, but if he's LAggy i go ahead and reraise him here.

[thatpfunk]

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Why no re-raise? Depending on the opponent of course...if he's weak tight, I probably just call, but if he's LAggy i go ahead and reraise him here.

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This thinking is EXACTLY why 100bb stacks is going to be amazing.

[djoyce003]

Why don't you post something useful

[thatpfunk]

Ok, reraising out of position with jacks is idiotic. If he calls you have no idea where you are, the stacks are deep, and you have created a big pot. Congratulations.

[djoyce003]

You don't think a reraise is good here to shut out UTG+2 who limped and get it heads up. Jacks is either the 4th or 5th best starting hand depending on how you look at it, why wouldn't you raise. I will caveat this by saying I only play the 6 max game but there is no way I don't reraise this...full ring can definitely be different. How often are the 2 jacks behind at this point? Again if the rock of rocks put in this raise, it's different, but if it's just some stupid lag who raises half the hands why would you not repop this. He didn't post a read at all so we don't really know, but I can't see how you would rule out a raise here everytime with no reads, come on.

[tbach24]

You can do this with any 2.

[thatpfunk]

If you are comfortable reraising with jacks out of position, thats fine.

I don't see it accomplishing much. I am talking strictly about 6-max, btw.

Jacks are a marginal hand in my book, esp out of position.

[kongo_totte]

I know the post may seem uninteresting, but I have done a bit of thinking. My dilemma is betting out or check-raise. I see pros and cons of both.
As Tbach stated, I can do this with any 2, and my bet really only servers as an info-bet. If anyone of them has a K, I'm always called and I always check-fold turn or river (unimproved). If neither of the have a K, they'll fold, and I gain nothing. If I check, there is a decent chance PFR will bet A Q or whatever, I check-raise and gain his bet. Although, I probably have to invest more.

I will now go about taking water over my head and try to calculate it EV-wise. Please let me now the flaws in my calculations, since I think it's great excercise.

Assumptions:
1. Someone has a King 40% of the hands and will alwys bet $4.
2. 30% of the hands, someone will bet a non-king hand.
3. 30% it will be checked through.
4. The times I check-raise, I will make it $10.
5. If checked trough, I will always bet a non A non Q turn and always check-fold an A or Q turn.


I bet out($4)
I win 60X6.10=$360, lose $4X40=$160. 360-160=$200= +$2/hand

I check-raise.
40 hands I lose $10=40X10=-$400.
30 hands I win $10.10=$303.
30 hands I fear 8 turn cards (assuming no one had a K): 8/47= 5 hands (out of 30) an A or Q will turn, and will probably check-fold. 5X0=0
If no A or Q turns (25 hands), I will bet $4 and win 25X6.10= $152.
-400+303+152=$55=$.55/hand.

Turned or rivered sets are now taken out of consideration since the chance of me improving are as good as the assumed atleast 1 other PP improving.

As it turns out, I just came to the conclusion that betting out is much more +EV, but as has been stated, my reasoning probably is flawed and please let me know if and how it's flawed.

Thanks

BTW, I would never re-raise J J out of position full ring.

[Tevyee]

On that board, you bet out. You don't want to check it around because the King serves as a scare card (You raised in the BB, so you can easily represent King/strong kicker) or the others might be trying to get a free card on a flush draw. If you're called, you can put someone on a King and can still easily get away from the hand. Personally, I liked the way you played the hand. Don't get too fancy with your play on those tables.

[tbach24]

The only flaw with your thinking is that it is a drawless board. I like to follow up my bets, but I'm a bit more hesitant on a board with draws because I will not gain any information with my bet.

[Tevyee]

And checking provides you with what information? I'd much rather make someone pay for their draws, then give away free cards. That's the biggest mistake you can probably make in poker.

[tbach24]

Checking with a hand I have no intention of keeping. If they hit their flush, so be it. I'm saying that against your average online player (a calling station), not only is there a large chance you're beat, but there's also the chance you will get outdrawn. Just give up on the hand, it's not really worth that much.

[Tevyee]

I completely understand and agree with what you're saying. But you can't just sit back and wait for the nuts and expect to make money playing poker. /images/graemlins/tongue.gif