Design review for the Pharaoh's Club Paulson chips

[TenPercenter]

I think a lot of people are as excited as I am about the new Paulson chip, but also very disappointed with our two dismal choices of inlay. You can pick the old James Bond design, but the inlay was too small for the allotted area, making it look odd. Or the other choice, a stock inlay design from trademark which is also a bit boring (to me), and which is also purported to be too small.

I decided that there is no reason why we can't organize another group buy for custom chips. I am determined to make this happen, and will not relent until the goal is met. There is no distributor lined up, there is no order started, and there are no prices yet. All of this will come once I see that there's enough support to order 100,000 chips. Yes, you read that right, 100,000 chip order. I will promise everyone two things:

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1. Everyone involved at the beginning will get a great price on the new Paulson chips.
2. The chip designs will be stunning and you will be proud of this unique chip set.
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This thread is not meant for organizing the order process. I know the discussion lead that way, but the first step is getting a design direction to follow. The chips you see here are the first step on choosing a theme. As you can see, I chose two "traditional" designs, as reflected in the polls here and on TexasHoldem-Poker.com (http://www.texasholdem-poker.com/forum/phpbb/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=8708). The other is more "fancy" as you can see.

These mockups are by no means finished. I "held back" my usual design direction purposely. I gave only a few visual cues and indicators for the graphic artists. I wanted new perspectives. I didn't want them to look like my other Egyptian set. Once I have decided on the direction to go, I will work with that artist to tweak the design and to continue the entire set. Knowing my knit-picking, he will be happy when the process is over. /images/graemlins/smile.gif

There will be 7 chips. 25¢ through $1000. Standard colors, unless I can get Trademark to let me change a couple of them. Each chip will have a different inlay shape , all of which I have determined already.

So please, let me know what you think!

OPTION #1
http://thecagles.com/pix/pharaoh_1.jpg

OPTION #2
http://thecagles.com/pix/pharaoh_2.jpg

OPTION #3
http://thecagles.com/pix/pharaoh_3.jpg

I'd like to get a lot of votes on this design, including the opinions of people that don't frequent this forum. Please feel free to ask friends, family, or anyone else to take part in the poll. If you frequent other forums, ask your friends to come vote. I'd like to hear from more than just my "chip snob" friends here. /images/graemlins/smile.gif Feel free to hot-link my images from thecagles.com to show people what we are proposing.

[thanks to MSPatton at http://holdempokerchips.com for the Paulson scan]

Ten

[Coleman]

Despite the poll results favoring the traditional inlay, the mold on this chip is more suited to the grand inlay. Would the poll numbers have leaned the same way if the chip and mold choice had been known?
That said, choice No.2 is rather fetching.
I much prefer an old-school Paulson (I play with a set of Discovery Cruise chips), but I would like to see this mold mocked-up with a grand or giant inlay.

You know, that design No.2 IS rather fetching...

[theRealMacoy]

Ten,

Go man go!
I am blown away by your enthusiam dude.
I only wish I had the cash to jump on the band wagon.
Sitting as a voyeur on the side lines will have to do.

cheers,
the Real Macoy

ps. how many chips can one guy possibly need....or more likely is your wife going to let you buy more chips?

[YTV]

Ten,

Im down for atleast 1,000 chips most likely. But would like to express some thoughts. Please try to take up as much of the inlay is possible, grand inlay would be awesome, but I know that probably wont happen. If possible keep the white and yellow chips at the top and bottom of the denomination ladder, as these 2 colors really start to look dingy after being shuffled with the darker colors even after a short period of time.
With that said, I have no doubt you will create an awesome looking set.

[rickw]

I vote for old school, simple classic, so #2 seems to be headed in the right direction for my tastes. #3 is too complicated (for my money, a design like that would look better on a chipco). #1 just didn't seem to do much for me.

Keep up the good work!

[bandfan]

By the time this gets off the ground I should be ready to commit to 1000-2000 chips. I was interested in the Egyptian ChipCo's but I decided I wanted to go with clay when i get a big, expensive set. I'm sure the design work will be of the same high quality, and I am definitely in for this.

[kgdakid21]

Nice work I voted for #2. I would also be in for around 1000.

[jojobinks]

#3 is just out. it's more the modern style, which i believe has already been done in the egyptian theme.

#2 pwns #1 on style. let me count the ways:
-the font is better
-in #1 the arched text doesn't work with the octogon inlay
-the watermark is sweet
-rounded edges on the inlay
-i dig the cartoony feel of the pyramids.

btw, i know this isn't the point of the thread, but if you're keeping rough track of things, i'm going to aim for 1000 of these. i doubt 100,000 is going to be a problem.

[SugarV]

Number two does it for me, as well.

1. I like the traditional style
2. I like the font (reminds me of vintage Vegas)
3. I like the rounded edges of the hexagon
4. I like the colors of the inlay...simple.

However,

1. I would get rid of the eagle behind the denom. (I'm sure many of you will like that. In my opinion, with an traditional design, the denom should be "stand alone")

2. With a small order (compared to casinos, I'm speaking) such as this...too bad we wouldn't be able to customize the back of them with a different design. Have the $.25 chips say "serf" on the back, then move on up the chain of command to the Pharaoh on the $1000 (or higher). It would be an entertaining, but very expensive idea. If they do give you the option of different art on each side...it might be something to keep in the back of you mind.

I'm sure that, with this being the first step, it will take a long time before we see these chips. Probably most of the people who got in on the Chipco's will have a bankroll saved up for another set.

I'm in.

sv

[Slow Play Ray]

Wow. #2 really stands head and shoulders above the others.

[toots]

I just don't like the use of the words "Club" or "Casino."

Don't know why, but it just seems trite.

Otherwise, I could see spending a grand on these...

[toots]

Q:

I don't know the terms on these MBT Paul-Son special orders, but are we talking about the same inlay for all denominations (excepting the denomination amount), or will there be different designs for each denomination?

Not that it'd change my order, but I'm just curious.

[jojobinks]

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I don't know the terms on these MBT Paul-Son special orders, but are we talking about the same inlay for all denominations (excepting the denomination amount), or will there be different designs for each denomination?

Not that it'd change my order, but I'm just curious.

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There will be 7 chips. 25¢ through $1000. Standard colors, unless I can get Trademark to let me change a couple of them. Each chip will have a different inlay shape , all of which I have determined already.

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[Slow Play Ray]

He meant the inlay design, not the shape. I think it is a safe assumption they will all be the same aside from the denominations. Maybe a variety in background color though?

[TenPercenter]

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He meant the inlay design, not the shape. I think it is a safe assumption they will all be the same aside from the denominations. Maybe a variety in background color though?

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There will be a different inlay design AND inlay shape for each chip. At the very least, a different graphic and denom amount.

Ten

[toots]

Thank you, ten, for the clarification.

To answer Jojo, yes, my reading comprehension was indeed defective. I guess my eyes were just glazed over by the thought of new Paul-sons.

[toots]

Somehow, I got this mental picture of TenPercenter taking delivery of 1,000 boxes of chips, dumping them in a wading pool, and wallowing around in them for a while before shipping out the individual orders.

[TenPercenter]

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Somehow, I got this mental picture of TenPercenter taking delivery of 1,000 boxes of chips, dumping them in a wading pool, and wallowing around in them for a while before shipping out the individual orders.

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My wife said she DELETED those photos before I sent out the last Egyptians!

Dammit. How much do you want for them? /images/graemlins/mad.gif

Ten

[NatePT]

I like #2 a lot, dont care for #1 or #3. Im down for 750-1000 chips.

[Slow Play Ray]

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There will be a different inlay design AND inlay shape for each chip. At the very least, a different graphic and denom amount.

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Wow, I stand corrected - that's why you should never assume! /images/graemlins/wink.gif Anyway, I gotta say I'm very intrigued by this, can't wait to see how it turns out! I hope you don't make me sorry I did the custom Kings Crowns!

[messenger309]

Damn you 10%... I was just getting over my broken heart as a result of selling my Rounders chips and was finally going to place an order with PC.com. Now I have to wait! Number 2 all the way! I bet you get these done faster than ASM anyway.

Rob

[TabascoJRC]

Have you confirmed that you are capable of getting custom inlay shapes?

If so , why the f did they not use a bigger inlay on the bond chips.

I bet that is why trademarks style is taking so long...I be they heard everyone's reaction and ran back screaming stop the presses hehe.

Oh yeah and my vote is for number 2 for exactly the same reasons as jojo.

A little note. If I were doing it I would think about it this way. You want a common element on every chip. A logo, I know the egytian theme is common, but still, for the chips to really be cohesive I think a common element is key, ie keep the pyramids on every chip with the text as the Casino logo, and change the watermark. or vice versa, but i think the element should be obvious. Simple and obvious. Especially if you are changing inlay shapes on every chip. I would just be careful about the chips looking modge podge with Very differnt graphics and different inlays.
my $.02 may be worth squat, however.

[Slow Play Ray]

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A little note. If I were doing it I would think about it this way. You want a common element on every chip. A logo, I know the egytian theme is common, but still, for the chips to really be cohesive I think a common element is key, ie keep the pyramids on every chip with the text as the Casino logo, and change the watermark. or vice versa, but i think the element should be obvious.

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I agree 100%. The one thing I don't like about Foxwoods chips is that they are a "hodgepodge" of different designs, and really don't look like a cohesive set at all. I like the idea of only varying the watermark, and maybe the inlay color, from chip to chip. Just my opinion.

[jojobinks]

i think we might call that poll response overwhelmingly in favor of #2

[PhilTheThrill14]

#2 is sweet. I'm in for 1,000 to 1,200. Can't wait to see the other

[rickw]

Sounds like #2 is the winner so far. What does everyone think about the watermark? Although it's a nice idea, I'm torn -- is it too much detail for such a small area? The rest of the design is so simple, does it end up creating clutter?

I'd be curious to see what #2 looks like w/o the watermark.

Also, I agree with the "common element" / keep it simple theme mentioned above.

[PhilTheThrill14]

I like the watermark alot - I think it should be the only "item" that changes from chip to chip. For example - have the .25 chip have the Ankh as a watermark, have the $1 have a different symbol\image. Maybe even have them use the same symbols used on the chipcos, but in a much more subtle way (the watermark). Any thoughts? Shall I be quite and just get my money ready?

[MeridianFC]

It was a tough choice between #1 &amp; #2, but #2 had a bit more of a classic look, which is my preference. The other Egyptians have a very modern look and they're on ChipCOs which are a more modern chip, so having a classic look for a classic clay chip seems to make sense.

BTW I didn't think any of the chip makers would let you use the non round shapes for inserts.

[Cassius]

As a aesthetics type thing, I would see what it would look like (on number 2) to ditch the sky over the pyramids, just have a clean line - I think it'll make the chip more centered as it seems to feel a bit top-heavy, if you will. Slick though.

[jon_1van]

Just like Uncle Scrouge in Duck Tails (if you didn't watch this cartoon as a kid you are old)

[jon_1van]

Will the chips all have the same edge spot colors/pattern as the new Paulson home chips?

[Philwannab]

I passed last time on the Chipco set but loved the design. I am a classic clay kind of guy. So I am in on these for a bunch. I voted for #2 along with everyone else. Keep up the good work boys!

[Preytar]

I went with option #2 also. I think the classic look is perfect. I've been lurking here for quite some time, and I'm sorry that I missed out on the previous Egyptian order. I'm interested in 750-1000 depending on the final price. Once again, great work Ten!

Preytar

[TripKings]

10%,

Under the assumption that you will be using the same 7 chip colors - is it possible to vote on changing the .25 chip to blue and the 1.00 to white?

I look forward to following your progress. I should get my samples from Apache this week - I'm sure I will love them - but anticipate getting in on your future order for 1000-3000 chips.

[Medisin]

#2 has a better look than the other two. Like the smooth rounded edges and the watermark.

[fcuk]

I also would like the inlay color to either match up with the edgespots or the chip color, I think that is one of the main problems I have with the bond inlay on the new Paulsons. If you match up the bg color of the inlay and make this set as beuaitful as the chipco set, but of course, simpler, I may have to pick up 500-1500 chips. I am without a doubt in for 500 though, as long as they look good /images/graemlins/smile.gif Design 2 all the way

[Lumpy]

Number 2 looks great!! Since it is way ahead maybe a mock up of all the chips is order. /images/graemlins/grin.gif

I would probably be forced into getting at least 500.

[morglum_s]

Ten;

Unlike everyone else, I really like #3. It's a little busy, but I like the "iconic" look, rather than the faux-casino look. It seems like I'm in the minority here, but if you rounded the edges on the hexagon and simplified the icon a little it might have got more votes. Another potential advantage to #3 is that it is that it might be compatible with the octagons and plaques of the original Egyptians….

I am very interested and hope this project comes to fruition. I'm in for 1000, or may invest in a much larger quantity (10k?) for re-sale if the price is right and you need to get more orders to make it happen.

-m

[coyote]

WOW! #2 is absolutely gorgeous. The font is very very sharp, I like the text. That is just a fantastic start to the process. If it turns out this well, I'll be in for 700-1000, depending on pricing.

[morglum_s]

I agree with Toots on this! I'd like to see the theme without refrence to a ficticious "club" or casino....

-m

[X-Files]

I voted for #2. Wow, I might just have to sell my pokerchips.com chips for a set of these. /images/graemlins/cool.gif

[duma]

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Somehow, I got this mental picture of TenPercenter taking delivery of 1,000 boxes of chips, dumping them in a wading pool, and wallowing around in them for a while before shipping out the individual orders.

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ya, Ten's a regular Scrooge McDuck of poker chips!

[duma]

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Ten;

Unlike everyone else, I really like #3. It's a little busy, but I like the "iconic" look, rather than the faux-casino look. It seems like I'm in the minority here, but if you rounded the edges on the hexagon and simplified the icon a little it might have got more votes. Another potential advantage to #3 is that it is that it might be compatible with the octagons and plaques of the original Egyptians….

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#3 is better suited for a Giant inlay along the same lines of the Vineyards and Bellagio chips. it does not look good as using the geometric inlay shapes. if it were to take up the majority of the chip, then it would look fantastic (along with a few color tweaks to match the chip colors of course)

but people, you do realize that these designs will probably be nothing like the actual chip right? they are just here for reference and to get an idea of what people like. the actual logo and writing on the chip are not set in stone.

[warewulf]

I also voted for #2, but almost chose #1. I do think #2 is more modern and will fit better with the colors allowed.

Regarding the inlay shapes -- I was under the impression that Dice702 didn't have a choice about the size. I thought I read somewhere that the trademark chips are going to have the same inlay size mis-match. If this is the case and you are forced to make them that way, I would be tempted, but would probably pass.

If you are sucessful with getting the inlay shapes varied, I don't see how I could pass up a set, probably 500 for me. Will depend on my chip budget at the time though. Currently I'm WAY over budget.

Another idea if there are too many restrictions on the Paulsons might be to go with TR King.

[duma]

http://www.barncow.com/pokertable/pchips-2.jpg
http://www.buypokerchips.com/assets/golden-nugget-casino-chips-5-240.jpg http://www.buypokerchips.com/assets/golden-nugget-casino-chips-25-240.jpg
http://www.buypokerchips.com/assets/riviera-casino-chips-100-240.jpg


i hope its along the lines of these for the inlay shape
25c cirlce
$1 octagon?
$5 flower
$25 star
$100 widget
$500 hexagon
$1000 ?

[toots]

I'll spend a grand (or more) on Paulsons. I won't on TR King. I might think about it for ASMs or Blue Chips, but Blue Chips would be pretty dang iffy.

[warewulf]

Off topic now, I just got this chip on Ebay:

http://img157.exs.cx/img157/7899/thunderbird3zm.jpg

I like the old style design, but probably wouldn't look good on the new Paulsons.

[rosko23]

#2 it is... I am down for either 1000 or 2000.

[Dick Danger]

100,000 .......... /images/graemlins/ooo.gif

[toots]

In other words, 100 of us fools with money we're willing to part with for a kilochip.

[Nickmast]

I love the idea and love classic style paulsons with scalloped inlays. BUT, must you do another egyptian theme chip??? You already have one set of egyptian chipcos. Do we need another??? What about a Pacific Northwest Indian Haida

http://www.evilkokonut.com/upload/uploads/EagleFullCircle.jpg

[Kedros]

I voted for #2 as it is most in line with what I like. I agree that maybe since we already have Egpyt themed Chipcos we could go with something else. Traditonal Clay chips? I like Nickmast's idea on the Native American theme. Why not give them a Traditional Poker Feel as in Oldwest/Deadwood/Red Dead Revolver.

A note on the Inlay styles. Scalloped, Flowered, Geared and Circles are great. The issue I have is with Hexagon. It's just not round enough and feels completly out of place with the other inlays.

[Spooky]

I'd be very interested in 1000 of something along the #2 option.

[House of Payne]

I'd be in for 1000 of the style number 2.

[morglum_s]

I've always liked Haida design. I think Ten is in the NW too so he should have some exposure...but it looks like he might be set...

-m

[theredwave]

Plano TX is in the NW now? /images/graemlins/confused.gif

I voted number 2, but I also think the pyramid image could be better without the sky.

[Spooky]

Could you go into where/how you found out that a customization like this is possible? I was under the impression this was a big no-no from paulson.

I mean, I love the idea, and I want in... but how likely is this scenario to pan out?

[AZnuts]

Interested in 1000 chips, provided the standard base colors are used for $25, $100, $500, $1000.

Voted for inlay #2 &amp; agree with some others about avoiding "casino", "club" etc. Just the theme. Don't even really like "Cairo" on there.

[toots]

Just got my sample Casino de Isthmus City chips from Dice702.

Nice. Yeah, I'd buy bunch at a buck a piece.

Weight: Same as what I've come to expect for a Paulson "standard" chip

Feel/texture: Standard new Paulson - sharp corners, a bit gritty, will wear in with time. The face of the outer ring of the molding has that nice crosshatch texture to give it some good feel. Dropping one chip onto a stack has the right amount of bounce. The sound is what a chip is supposed to sound like. They feel slightly softer than Blue Chips, which is probably what gives them their bounce.

Molding: Eh. Worse than the traditional H&amp;C or horsehead. Better than the BC "flame" (almost-no-mold-at-all) and definitely better than the chipco non-mold. Mostly, it's there for feel, anyway.

Inlay: Here's the controversy. After looking at it, I've decided that the molding's wrong for the inlay, not the other way around. By that, I mean when you compare the traditional "Standard" inlay for the Casino de Isthmus City to the "Grand" inlay of the same that Blue Chip's been using, the grand inlay looks cartoony, and the standard inlay looks at least a little more traditional. Therefore, I'd like the mold expanded to fill around the inlay, rather than vice versa.

My biggest gripe is that on older Paulsons with the Standard inlay, the inlay's had a sort of "linen" or cloth texture to it. These CdIC chips have a standard inlay with the "glossy" (smooth) finish. I really like the traditional texture better. Not a deal breaker for me, but this is by far my biggest gripe with the new Paulsons.

Edge Spots: Nice colorful, uneven "refrigerator cookie" inserts. Very old school. Like the Blue Chips, these seem a bit shallower than the traditional Paulsons, but maybe that's just me.

Colors: Nice. I love the blue. The black's really black (as opposed to the older Paulson fantasy chip charcoal color).

Quality: Good. The inlays are nicely centered, and their edges don't feel like you could peel them up (like Blue Chips). These feel more molded into the chip. So far, I can't feel the center dimple that drives me nuts with Blue Chips. Best of all, no edge ridges or injection pimples.

[LAGmaniac]

Definitely #2 all the way. I love the font, it gives it that old school Dunes or Sands kind of feel. The art is fine, not too much not too little. The denominations and the Pharaoh Club &amp; Casino text are necessary IMO. It would just look too generic otherwise. Oh, I also love the greyed out symbol behind the denomination.

It's probably too early for design suggestions but here are some anyway. /images/graemlins/grin.gif
1. Can you do three-color edge spots on the higher denoms? I love that black $100 Dunes chip Accident posted in the other thread.
2. I also like when a text color on the inlay (such as the denomination) matches the color on the chip (or an edge spot) for each denomination.

Looks like it's gonna be a great set. I'd like to tentatively put my name on the list for 1000 chips.

[morglum_s]

For some reason I thought Ten was in Seattle.....

-m

[cmnova04]

#2 for me too

except i think this egyptian theme is played out now. i thikn a nice western theme would be cool as well.

i know ten is setting this up, but if we are doing a group buy of 100,000+ there should be a majority consensus on the 'theme'

[LAGmaniac]

Yeah I'd like a classic Las Vegas Casino theme myself, or maybe a gangster theme like those Bugsy's Saloon or Dillinger's gaming hall chips.

[funkdoc1026]

I also would be in interested in 750-1000, I am really starting to like these other ideas about maybe another theme, I mean I love the egyptian look and wouldn;t mind it, but I think we the creativeness on this board we could definately come up with an awesome theme, and if we do switch themes I think we should figure that out before we decide on the inlay design ie. star, widget, what have you, but either way mark me down for some.

[YTV]

After these last few posts, Im going to have to agree also, that another theme would be better. All the ideas thrown out seem to be awesome theme ideas. I think the ULTIMATE Egyptian set has already been created, and anything else is still going to be 2nd best.

[smoore]

My ultimate set would be a fantasy set of old las vegas casinos, when Seigel built The Flamigo. However, I'm sure the Hilton (tm) people would have a thing or two to say about it.

[TenPercenter]

No time for details, but get it outa yer heads that I'll change my chip theme. Egyptian is my thing, not cowboys or NW Indians no matter how cool their art is. /images/graemlins/grin.gif If you want to organize a group by, you can choose your theme. No offense, but if you saw my house (and my tattoos) you'd realize that I'm not going to be getting any other themed sets. /images/graemlins/smile.gif

A consesus would be great, but it won't be possible. Imagine a hundred guys buying in. Once we opened up the flood gates to "name the theme you want" then you'd have someone that wants cowboys and someone that wants flamingos or another guy that wants Star Wars and another that wants ... well, you get the idea.

Ten

[ncskiier]

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I agree.
I also agree that the sky behind the pyramid is unnecessary and detracts from the image.
I also agree that the denom text should match the chip color.
I, however, disagree that the $1 should be white, blue would be much better.
Oh, and I would definitely be in for 500+.

[jojobinks]

i love the 14 guys whose first post ever is "egyptian is played out". i'm sorry, but it feels kinda fishy to me. is someone trying to stuff the ballot box on that?

IMO, you ride the wave when you decide to go with a group buy. the consensus building is a good thing. that being said, i feel like when you're unhappy with the way things are going, you can go elsewhere.

ten is kinda the man here. and the egyptian thing is what's driving him. so...

oops. ten already kinda hit this.

[TenPercenter]

Re: Getting our grand size inlay on the Paulsons will be an uphill battle. It appears that Paulson is not allowing anything larger than the standard inlay you see on the new Bond chips. It's completely stupid, but it's a security thing, and they may not relent. If someone has CONFIRMED that the new trademarks are grand inlays, let me know.

I wanted to get this group buy built up to where no one would say no to us, but I've already been getting a lot of feedback saying "you ain't gonna get Paulson to budge on colors or inlays."

My second choice would be ASM/pokerchips.com. The horsehead mold. Possibly the A mold, but not the Roman mold. Third choice: Matsui. If you dont have Matsui clay smples, I suggest you request them right away. I really like them, and I feel that the quality in manufaturing and consistency is second only to Paulson right now. Blue Chip is not an option for me due to quality issues. TR King is not and option because of chips size, despite their good quality.

So, we either go with Paulson, and figure out a way to make the smaller inlay look nice, or we go with ASM (long wait) or Matsui (nice chips, decent price, boting "M" mold).

[TenPercenter]

Another option is to use Matsui, and pay setup fee for a mold. I have a quote for $2000 for a new cusom mold. Maybe less with a big enough order. This is a GREAT price, since American chip makers (BC, ASM) will charge $6-7000 for a mold.

If we ordered 50,000 chips, it'd add 4¢ to the chip price. (did I do that math right?)

Can you imagine a unique mold, with heiroglyphics around it? Way cool.

Just an idea...

Ten

p.s. If you dont have Matusi clay samples, I highly suggest getting some. sales@matsui-gaming.co.jp

[TenPercenter]

FYI, here are all the colors and inlay shapes that I have chosen for this set:

25¢ White - Plain round
$1 Blue - Scallop
$5 Red - Hub
$25 Green - Hex
$100 Black - Cog
$500 Purple - Saw
$1000 Orange - Star

(These are the Paulson colors. If we go to a different manufacturer, then we could discuss color choices. ie: avoid white)

I can post samples of all of these if necessary.

Ten

[smoore]

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Can you imagine a unique mold, with heiroglyphics around it? Way cool.


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Now you're talking CUSTOM /images/graemlins/laugh.gif

[gpc]

I have been a viewer for quite awhile but this was something that I really want to be a part of. I prefer Option #2. The design looks great but I wonder how it would look in a night-time setting with a moon. I like the Cairo on the bottom. As far as the manufacturer, I would say #1 Paulson #2 Matsui.

[TenPercenter]

There's an overwhelming favorite here for the clay set. I voted #2 as well, which the second person to vote can attest to. /images/graemlins/smile.gif

I like the other two designs too, and the third one is definately more suited for a Chipco or a laser printed label.

Wonderful work all of you.

We have a direction to go in, and I can post mockups of the full set once I forward the request to the designer.

Maybe with Tabasco's PhotoShop ASM tool, we can mock up the designs and choose the colors...

Ten

[cmnova04]

[ QUOTE ]
i love the 14 guys whose first post ever is "egyptian is played out". i'm sorry, but it feels kinda fishy to me. is someone trying to stuff the ballot box on that?

IMO, you ride the wave when you decide to go with a group buy. the consensus building is a good thing. that being said, i feel like when you're unhappy with the way things are going, you can go elsewhere.

ten is kinda the man here. and the egyptian thing is what's driving him. so...

oops. ten already kinda hit this.

[/ QUOTE ]

the reason this is my first post is because its my first post on this forum. sorry but people who try to organize this also post at scott's poker table building site and texas-holdem.com

i realize that everyone has their own idea of a theme to use, but doesnt everyone also have their idea about everything else you are asking here? you decided by consensus on the rest, simply suggesting you do the same for the theme.

not too friendly a board around here as i get reemed out after one post haha, but no hard feelings. I think I will just try to organize a large group-buy of trademark.com's standard inlay design paulson chips.

[smoore]

I think the color choices are going to make or break the chipset. I don't see dayglo anything going well with a theme like this... more subdued greens and maroons combined with rich purples and golds.

[ledavatar]

Ten, when can we confirm the specifications of the Paulson chip in regards to the inlay size, mold, edge spots, etc.? Are we custom ordering through dice702/apachepokerchips or are we going directly through Paulson? It seems as if with such a large sized order we might be able to go directly through Paulson. I wonder how much Paulson would charge tooling for a custom mold.

This definitely sounds interesting. I've only been ordering small sample sets from all the various group buys, but if this thing goes through I may have to take the plunge and order a set of 500-1000, depending on the price. Oh yea, #2 all the way. Love the font and watermark.

[BreakEven]

Ten,

I am looking at 1,000 - 1,250 chips.

Nice job. I have to admit that I liked some elements of design #3 but I do agree that #2 meets the overall classic look much better. The watermark is cool. It would be nice to see a draft layout of the whole set.

I'm curious as to why there is a 25 cent chip but no 50 cent chip. I use the 25 cent chip for small blinds when playing 0.50/1.00 at family get-togethers. They don't get a lot of use and won't get real dirty, so white is good.

I have samples of Paulson chips on the way. For a company that is just getting back into the retail/consumer market, I wouldn't be surprised if a custom order is a tough sell.

Where can you get a sample of Matsui? I found Matsui's web site but did not see where you can order samples.

[TenPercenter]

[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
i love the 14 guys whose first post ever is "egyptian is played out". i'm sorry, but it feels kinda fishy to me. is someone trying to stuff the ballot box on that?

IMO, you ride the wave when you decide to go with a group buy. the consensus building is a good thing. that being said, i feel like when you're unhappy with the way things are going, you can go elsewhere.

ten is kinda the man here. and the egyptian thing is what's driving him. so...

oops. ten already kinda hit this.

[/ QUOTE ]

the reason this is my first post is because its my first post on this forum. sorry but people who try to organize this also post at scott's poker table building site and texas-holdem.com

i realize that everyone has their own idea of a theme to use, but doesnt everyone also have their idea about everything else you are asking here? you decided by consensus on the rest, simply suggesting you do the same for the theme.

not too friendly a board around here as i get reemed out after one post haha, but no hard feelings. I think I will just try to organize a large group-buy of trademark.com's standard inlay design paulson chips.

[/ QUOTE ]

Don't take offense CM, and I want you to feel welcome on the forum. But surely you must see my point. If you were organzing a group buy for a western theme and you had a lot of support, why would you change your theme if I came in and said that it would be better to do a Movie Space Ships theme? It's your chip, if you wanted spaceships, wouldn't you have started with them?

Ten

[TenPercenter]

[ QUOTE ]
Ten, when can we confirm the specifications of the Paulson chip in regards to the inlay size, mold, edge spots, etc.? Are we custom ordering through dice702/apachepokerchips or are we going directly through Paulson? It seems as if with such a large sized order we might be able to go directly through Paulson. I wonder how much Paulson would charge tooling for a custom mold.

[/ QUOTE ]

Like I mentioned in the main post, there is no distributor lined up, there is no order started, and there are no prices yet. That'll come later. it looks like we've chosen the theme, next step is filling out the set of seven chip designs. More to come on that.

Re: Paulson custom mold: If we don't get Paulson, it'll be because of restrictions. If we were to buy a mold, I would go with Matsui. Without the Hat and Cane, why bother? Yes, Paulson is top notch quality, but I'd pick Matsui quality over Paulson. You may disagree, but get Matsui clays in your hands and riffle them for a couple of days before you do.

Ten

[toots]

Where can I find some matsui samples?

[TenPercenter]

[ QUOTE ]
I'm curious as to why there is a 25 cent chip but no 50 cent chip. I use the 25 cent chip for small blinds when playing 0.50/1.00 at family get-togethers. They don't get a lot of use and won't get real dirty, so white is good.


[/ QUOTE ]

A .50 chip doesn't make sense to me. You can't play 25¢ ante cash games with it. It seems to me that a 2-to-1 denomination stepup is not efficiant. A 4x or 5x multiple is standard. I see a lot of 50¢ chips out there, but I just dont get it. (the $500 to $1000 is an exception, I know)

Ten

[TenPercenter]

[ QUOTE ]
Where can I find some matsui samples?

[/ QUOTE ]

sales@matsui-gaming.co.jp

Ten

[kgdakid21]

If paulson cant change the colors I think we should switch companies from paulson to pc.com or matsui. The egyptian theme just doesnt go well with the bright stock colors of the paulson chips in my mind.

[TenPercenter]

[ QUOTE ]
If paulson cant change the colors I think we should switch companies from paulson to pc.com or matsui. The egyptian theme just doesnt go well with the bright stock colors of the paulson chips in my mind.

[/ QUOTE ]

I agee with changing if necessary. But about the chip colors not matching the Egyptian theme....

I think someone else mentioned that earlier. To me, the theme isn't really Egyptian per-se. It's a fantasy casino chip, so the theme is "traditional casino gaming chip." That casino happens to have an Egyptian theme. Just like Dunes is a desert theme, and Alladin is an Arabian theme, or Caesar's Palace is a Roman theme, etc.

There ain't much difference between these two chips, even though the theme of the casino is totally different:

http://thecagles.com/pix/saw.jpghttp://thecagles.com/pix/chinaclub55.jpg


... or these
http://www.nevadajacks.net/!chip_pics001/njclay_25.jpg http://www.nevadajacks.net/!chip_pics001/Martini_025_100dpi.jpg

Ten

[kgdakid21]

Ya I know that I just think the paulson stock chips are just way too bright for this look. I think it would also be insane if we could get our own mold.

[Slow Play Ray]

TR King is not and option because of chips size, despite their good quality.

Ten, I'm confused by this statement - do you mean they are not an option because the chips are 0.5 mm smaller than the "standard" chip size (because that's what Paulsons are)? But ASM is an option even though they are 0.5 mm larger than the Paulsons? (see here (http://www.texasholdem-poker.com/forum/phpbb/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=6791&amp;highlight=)). I'm just not following the logic, because T.R. King is the only place where you are going to be able to get any variability in edge spot design (aside perhaps from Matsui, which I know nothing about). Or perhaps I completely misunderstood what you meant...? :confused:

By the way, I also wanted to mention I think Pharoah's is an awesome name for a fantasy casino/club - wouldn't even consider changing it.

Edit: My code isn't working for some reason. What gives?

[unloaded]

I realize you are going for Classic style of chips, and haven't read every post in the thread...Just wondering if Bud Jones is an option? Just not the look you're after? Will they deal with public at all?

peace.
unloaded

[Accident]

[ QUOTE ]
My ultimate set would be a fantasy set of old las vegas casinos, when Seigel built The Flamigo. However, I'm sure the Hilton (tm) people would have a thing or two to say about it.

[/ QUOTE ]
Real Dunes Casino Chips (http://www.spinettis.com/shop/item.asp?itemid=198&amp;catid=29)

Yes, and they are nice too, so nice, I bought 2 sets!
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[kgdakid21]

Bud Jones unfortunately does not sell chips to the public.

[mckee27]

I am in for at least 650.

[mckee27]

I am in.

[Accident]

The CUSTOM MOLD idea is way over the top. HOld out for that.
A /images/graemlins/club.gif
I got my paulson bond samples today, and I like them. They are a bit too bright and look like a cartoon. It would be nice to have the large denoms for tourneys. May not look good w/the egyptian artwork, but what do I know. I trust TEN's judgement.
A /images/graemlins/club.gif
What I really think is that the "Poker Theme" has been done to death. Enough with the chips, cards, tables, dealers, +EV and tourneys already.

[ott]

Maybe the next set of custom group buy whatever it may be should be non-denominated. It'll make it more flexible for those who want to use the chips for a cash game or tournament.

[TenPercenter]

[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
TR King is not and option because of chips size, despite their good quality.

[/ QUOTE ]

Ten, I'm confused by this statement - do you mean they are not an option because the chips are 0.5 mm smaller than the "standard" chip size (because that's what Paulsons are)? But ASM is an option even though they are 0.5 mm larger than the Paulsons? (see here (http://www.texasholdem-poker.com/forum/phpbb/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=6791&amp;highlight=)). I'm just not following the logic, because T.R. King is the only place where you are going to be able to get any variability in edge spot design (aside perhaps from Matsui, which I know nothing about). Or perhaps I completely misunderstood what you meant...? /images/graemlins/confused.gif



[/ QUOTE ]


Well, part of it is "a little smaller" is worse than "a little bigger." When TR King is in a line of ANY other chips, it looks to small. But what it really comes down to is that I like ASM chips more than I like TR King.

Ten

[toots]

I feel compelled to say the following:

1) I doubt that Paulson is going to budge on color, edge spots or mold
2) I'm happy enough with the CdIC chips at Dice702, that I'd sooner buy them than take a chance on another brand
3) If this buy goes ahead with Paulson, I'm in. Otherwise, I'll prolly just get the CdICs instead.

TenPercenter's definitely the bee's knees when it comes to designing chips, and I'd be delighted to buy more of his, but I do have my standards.

[Jaquen H'gar]

Has anyone asked ASM if they are willing to lift their restriotions re single wide edge spot for a 100,000 chip order? At some point, money talks and BS walks. The question is what point Paulson, Matsui, and ASM have in mind.

[cmnova04]

[ QUOTE ]
Don't take offense CM, and I want you to feel welcome on the forum. But surely you must see my point. If you were organzing a group buy for a western theme and you had a lot of support, why would you change your theme if I came in and said that it would be better to do a Movie Space Ships theme? It's your chip, if you wanted spaceships, wouldn't you have started with them?

Ten

[/ QUOTE ]

Yea.. well I never even knew you were behind those Egyptian Chips. I guess anyone who designed those is free to do whatever the heck he wants. Those came out GREAT and almost bought a set until I noticed Paulson's return

[theredwave]

I thought this was interesting, there actually is a Pharaohs casino. It's in Nicaragua. Link (http://www.pharaohsnicaragua.com/index-en.htm)

[ott]

[ QUOTE ]
I feel compelled to say the following:

1) I doubt that Paulson is going to budge on color, edge spots or mold
2) I'm happy enough with the CdIC chips at Dice702, that I'd sooner buy them than take a chance on another brand
3) If this buy goes ahead with Paulson, I'm in. Otherwise, I'll prolly just get the CdICs instead.

TenPercenter's definitely the bee's knees when it comes to designing chips, and I'd be delighted to buy more of his, but I do have my standards.

[/ QUOTE ]

AcePokerChipCompany (aka PaulsonsChips) over on TH Forum just said that Paulson won't budge on mold, inlay size or edgespot colors.

[duma]

if we were to buy 100,000 chips, im sure that any company would atleast listen to our demands. we might even be able to pull off a set of Bud Jones if we try hard enough. like a post earlier said, money talks.

[ott]

I doubt that. Apache Poker chips bought probably at least 100,000 chips and they had no say in the inlay size or the mold or the colors.

GPI (Paulson) barely got back into the home market probably thanks to Trademark Poker and they probably didn't have any say in the mold design. If they couldn't get Paulson to budge on the colors, why do you think we as consumers can do it when a distributor the size of Trademark couldn't?

Don't count on GPI thinking $100,000 gonna even make a trickle in their bottom line when they have majority of the casinos in the world as their clientele.

I'm not trying to be a downer but I'm being realistic.

[TenPercenter]

Apparently trademark bought (or at least committed to) at least a million chips. So if they couldn't budge Paulson, I don't know.

There was an interesting note found on trademark today:

[ QUOTE ]
http://trademarkpoker.com/paulson.asp: Due do a mold improvement requested by our customers, we have been forced to move back the delivery date to April 17th. We apologize for the inconvenience. Standard Stock Chips will be available April 17th, 2005.

[/ QUOTE ]


I'm pretty sure I know what this means. I bet they are shrinking the inlay are of the mold to match standard inlays. This is GREAT news. (If I'm right). I don't mind having a standard inlay if the area for it matches. What looks goofy to me is the small inlay with "blank" flat area left around it.

Ten

[Medisin]

The reply I got from Matsui when asking them about clay chip samples (important part in red):

[ QUOTE ]
Dear Tommy,

My name is Jennifer Anderton, I am the Business Development Coordinator for
Matsui Europe. I am glad to hear you are interested in our products. Matsui
has over 25 years experience in selling and manufacturing chips and
accessories for the casino market.

We have numerous different styles of chips. ranging from wheelchecks at 0.65
euro each ,10 designs in 7 standard colours, minimum order 100 pcs. Decal
chip with a minimum order of 1,000pcs starting at 1.05 euro each with an
artwork charge of 250.00 euro in colours of your choice. The heavy weight
gold chips start from 2.60 euro each. We also are in the process of
designing some coin chips especially for poker use in 4 denominations of
1,10,25 and 100. I am awaiting prices for these.

<font color="red">With regards to the clay chips, these have now been discontinued.</font> The
Wheelcheck and coin chips are much more durable, sustain less damage, wear
and tear.

If you require any further information or you would like some samples of our
other chips, please feel free to contact me again.

Kind Regards

Jennifer Anderton
Business Development Co-ordinator


[/ QUOTE ]

I don't know if the same applies for US customers or not, or if this is an issue when making a large custom order..

[jojobinks]

that's funny. here's my response, via email this morning.


[ QUOTE ]
Thank you for your interested in our chips.

I would send some sample chips and our brochures soon.

Meantime, Here I send some pictures of our clay chips for your reference. Please find the attachment.

If you have any questions, feel free to contact me.

Best regards,

Jin K.(Jinny) Sun
Matsui Gaming Machine Co.,Ltd.
Tel : 81-3-5467-5362
Fax : 81-3-5467-5218
E-mail : jinnysun@matsui-gaming.co.jp
Web-site : www.matsui-gaming.co.jp (http://www.matsui-gaming.co.jp)

[/ QUOTE ]

[Accident]

Ok, enough of the bullshit run-around. Someone find a dang pressure molding machine and I'll buy the sucker and we'll make our own dang chips! Might be cheaper.
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[jojobinks]

Ten:

how much do we know about whether this is possible? are you waiting until you're sure you've got 100k ordered? or is it reasonable to go to paulson and present the hypothetical?

and, on a side note, do you plan to do mockups of the rest of the chips? you never answered what your thoughts were on graphics for the other denominations. same inlay/different shape? that seemed to be the popular consensus, but you haven't commented.

[jojobinks]

[ QUOTE ]
My second choice would be ASM/pokerchips.com. The horsehead mold. Possibly the A mold, but not the Roman mold.

[/ QUOTE ]

will pokerchips.com do 2 color spots? again, do we need to wait until we're firm on 100k, or can we ask them "what if"?

[TenPercenter]

[ QUOTE ]
Ten:

how much do we know about whether this is possible? are you waiting until you're sure you've got 100k ordered? or is it reasonable to go to paulson and present the hypothetical?

and, on a side note, do you plan to do mockups of the rest of the chips? you never answered what your thoughts were on graphics for the other denominations. same inlay/different shape? that seemed to be the popular consensus, but you haven't commented.

[/ QUOTE ]

Yes, I will do mockups of all the chips. Different shaped inlays, slightly different graphics, but very close cohesion between denominations. I'll forward all details once we get to that stage.

Everyone please be patient. I mentioned in the first post that this is a "design direction" post and not really meant for the order discussion. There are no deals, there is no price, there are no hard numbers. Paulson isn't even delivering their second batch of home chips until the middle of April, so there's no rush. If anyone needs Paulson chips right away, I suggest getting some James Bonds.

The Pharaoh's Club chips are going to be done right, and with a good price. I'm not making rush decisions on the first day of discussions. /images/graemlins/smile.gif We've got time to work everything out.

Ten

[messenger309]

FYI
ASM Horsehead mold: 39.8mm
ASM Roman mold: 39.4mm
ASM Blank (Rounders Chesterfield) mold: 39.3mm

Rob

[Medisin]

That's strange...

[toots]

Ok, I might be in the minority here, but while I'm bothered by Paulson's rigidity on the whole mold/color/inlay/edge spot issue, I don't really think they're such bad choices.

The mold that says Paulson just ain't that hideous in real life. It's got texture, which is half the reason for the molding. The inlays are small for the mold, but they're so well done (recessed into the chip, with very little bump where the edge leaves off and chip starts) that I don't hugely dislike it.

But I love the colors, the edgespots are good, and the chip feel, sound and bounce are outstanding.

I'm not in a rush to buy anything, so I'll happily wait for egyptians if they're Paulson. I could happily live within the restrictions that we know today.

[warewulf]

I don't see the point in going with ASM. They dont give volume discounts, we would essentially be splitting the artwork fees. If they will do different edge spots, different story altogether.

[duma]

[ QUOTE ]
I doubt that. Apache Poker chips bought probably at least 100,000 chips and they had no say in the inlay size or the mold or the colors.

GPI (Paulson) barely got back into the home market probably thanks to Trademark Poker and they probably didn't have any say in the mold design. If they couldn't get Paulson to budge on the colors, why do you think we as consumers can do it when a distributor the size of Trademark couldn't?

Don't count on GPI thinking $100,000 gonna even make a trickle in their bottom line when they have majority of the casinos in the world as their clientele.

I'm not trying to be a downer but I'm being realistic.

[/ QUOTE ]

so youre saying that GPI is just going to denounce the $60,000+ that it will cost to buy 100,000 chips? i find this hard to believe. any person in their right mind would not deny someone a purchase of this size, no matter how big the company is.

[duma]

http://img11.exs.cx/img11/1354/pyramid8qp.jpg

intersting but more inline with option #1

[toots]

I think there are several considerations that the (new) management at Paulsons has been going through.

1) Worry about chip counterfeiting. One reason why they're being so picky with molding and colors would be to make sure that there's no chance of someone taking fantasy chips and "building" counterfeits.

2) Did they have a 2-year non-compete clause for the home market with the Endys when they bought the company? There may still be some contractual thing there.

3) I've noticed when companies get big, they convince themselves that they can't afford to be at all flexible. Once, working for a large company, which at the time was selling more dumb terminals than anyone else, I read some straight-faced analyses where people decided that it'd bankrupt the company if they tried to start shipping Dvorak keyboards. This sort of "Can't do" think can cripple a company's ability to pursue otherwise profitable ventures.

4) Maybe they really are making so much money from casinos that they don't have to care anymore. After all, there is a boom lately.

5) Maybe they don't have the expertise/interest/staffing to know how to deal with onsey-twosey orders.

I doubt #4, but it's possible.

[MeridianFC]

[ QUOTE ]
Has anyone asked ASM if they are willing to lift their restriotions re single wide edge spot for a 100,000 chip order? At some point, money talks and BS walks. The question is what point Paulson, Matsui, and ASM have in mind.

[/ QUOTE ]

I'd be curious about this too. Paulsons are far and away my favorite chip, but as far as pure design, me being more for the classic school and all, is the ASM Borland chips.

http://www.antiquegamblingchips.com/site/BorElRan16_24.jpg

http://www.antiquegamblingchips.com/site/BorPusCat58_66.jpg

http://www.antiquegamblingchips.com/Borland.htm

[AZnuts]

Personally, my interest in this concept is directly linked to custom inlays on the new Paulsons. Colors are fine; they are great chips except for the inlay.

If it morphs into someone else's chip, I'm no longer interested. (especially pokerchips.com; had a horrible experience with them and vowed, never again).

I bring this up since there may be a sizable chunk here who feel the same way, which could affect the size of the committed pool of people.

No matter where it goes, good luck, and kudos to Ten.

[TenPercenter]

[ QUOTE ]
Personally, my interest in this concept is directly linked to custom inlays on the new Paulsons. Colors are fine; they are great chips except for the inlay.

[/ QUOTE ]

I'm 80% in agreement with you. The main reason I wanted to do this project is for a better Paulson than the James Bonds. If I am told by 10 people "in the know" that I can't do it my way, then it may be a moot point. Why switch manufacturers if 30% of the group members drop out? It takes minimum 100,000 units to place a custom order. I am fully confident that I can make that happen, otherwise people are stuck with a choice of the James Bond chips, or the standard Trademark stock chips.

I think that if I am right about April, and the next Paulson mold will be modified to match standard inlays, then we are back in business. Otherwise, I'll weigh the difference of staying with Paulson despite the goofy inlay, or choose another manufacturer. This order is not to that point yet, so there should be no rush to judgement.

Color changes are not necessary for me to continue with this project. I don't like that the white and orange get dirty fast, but it's gonna happen with any light colored clay. I had a grand idea to make my $1000 chip "gold" instead of dayglo orange, but it would be a bonus that I'm willing to accept not getting. (see the Le Cove 1000 (http://thecagles.com/pix/1000.jpg) for the gold I am referring to)

Modified inlay edges (saw, cog, hex, etc) would be great, but not integral to the project. Once I posted my proposal, I was bombarded with "you're crazy if you think you can get modified inlay edges" type messages. If nothing else, we can make the inlay round, with the edges as part of the graphic design. I'm not 100% sure I like the idea but I will consider it. A full set with round inlays may be the best option, and I'll weigh that choice when the time comes.

It looks like we, as a large group buy, present somewhat of a threat to some of the distributers. I think this is a GOOD sign, a sign that this group buy could pull more weight than some think. But we cannot have much influence only as a concept, but as a dedicated group with a record of commitments to buy.... the sky's the limit.

More to come.

Ten

[toots]

I do very much appreciate both your creativity and your effort.

Thanks.

[mckee27]

I just received a sample of the 2005 Bond Paulsons, and I really like the quality of the Paulson chip itself. I am definetely in for a set of Paulsons with the Pharaoh theme. I like the #2 option as well. Keep up the great work and momentum Ten.

Scott

[Accident]

I was looking at paulsons on some web page today(big suprise) and they had some of the Vineyards chips pictured there for sale, altho most were sold out. WHat I realized is that the thing that I liked most about them is the fact that the plastic sticker(?) logo is clear allowing the base chip materials color to show through. Of all the chips I have the truely easy to distinguish ones have a base color that goes from edge to edge. Best examples are the Vineyard paulsons, the Egyptian chipcos, and the Oyster chipcos (just a small blue logo in the middle, but mostly monochromatic.) If you could get Paulson, or whoever to use the clear 'thingy' (dang, whats it called?) for the inlay, that would be awesome. And dont forget the custom mold for sure!!
Put me down for at least 1 chip and at most 1000.
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[ott]

The Vineyard inlays aren't clear at all. The inlay background color is a gradient from the base chip color to another color.

[YTV]

[ QUOTE ]
I don't like that the white and orange get dirty fast, but it's gonna happen with any light colored clay. I had a grand idea to make my $1000 chip "gold" instead of dayglo orange, but it would be a bonus that I'm willing to accept not getting.
Ten

[/ QUOTE ]

Ten,

Actually I have a set of Le Cove (that is also my picture of the 1000's) and I have a small stack of all the colors that I have been shuffling for a couple months, and the white and yellow Le Cove STILL look brand new. On the other hand the new James Bond's (white and yellow) that ive been shuffling for a week, look horrilbe. Im not sure if its because they are "new" and there is some kind of period where the colors will rub off, as the Le Cove have been sitting in boxes for a couple years. Or if they are somehow made different and no matter how old they are, the light colors are gonna look nasty after a couple of uses. That is why I expressed my opinion to keep the 2 light colors at the top and bottom, so people can still get all the denominations in between to satisfy cashgames and tournaments, and still opt to not get the 2 light colors.

[duma]

http://members.aol.com/fedxshipping/turf/turf1.jpg

our next option if they dont cut the inlay for us.

[TenPercenter]

Yes, it's an option, but we'd have the get the color JUST right, or it looks cheap. At taht point, full round inlays might look classier. We'll see.

Ten




[ QUOTE ]
http://members.aol.com/fedxshipping/turf/turf1.jpg

our next option if they dont cut the inlay for us.

[/ QUOTE ]

[jojobinks]

Ten:

where are we at here? what steps come next?

[TenPercenter]

[ QUOTE ]
Ten:

where are we at here? what steps come next?

[/ QUOTE ]

jojo: At this point I confirmed the direction I want to go. I may tinker with a couple more designs. I definately agree with the posters that #2 is the direction I wanted. Traditional, but with a flair of modern. I let that designer know a lot more of what I wanted than I did the other two. That wasn't "fair" but it was the only way to see if my thoughts would translate well to you guys. As always, I want to keep complete control over the design, but with input and suggestions from the group members.

I really like the design from #1, which came close to my vision with very little direction given by me.

#3: I told this guy NOTHING. It was unfair, but I had seen his work and really wanted to see what he could show me with nothing more than "Give me something Egyptian." When you come down to it, it wasn't unfair in the sense that his design could have taken 75% of the vote too, you never know.

But I was gunning for the direction of #2 and didn't tell any of you this. I am pleased that nearly everyone agrees. I'll probably have the other designers have a go at the chip again since everything is on the table. I've written out a set of criteria for each of them, and we'll see what happens in the next couple of days.

Once the final design is in place, I'd like to tell everyone about each of these artists. Normally I wouldn't be talking about the graphic artists, but these three happen to be posters on this forum. I think credit and accolades should be given to each of them, but it should be done once this process is complete. For many reasons, anonymity is best until a design is chosen.

Ten

[Wooderson]

Wow Ten.

I have a ton of thoughts in my head, so I hope I get them all out for you here.

1 - GREAT initial concept. I love #2 as well. The only artistic suggestion is to change the font of the denomination.

2 - The idea of the differently shaped inlays for each denomination is spot-on. That is something fist saw in 1993 on my first Vegas trip and would LOVE to have that in a home set.

3 - I like Paulson's in general, but I don't like the colors on the JBs and from all reports they fade/rub off/dirty up quickly. I know it's not a prime mover for you Ten, but my 2 cents.

4 - Even more than the Paulsons, I am in love with ASM HorseHeads. If you could negotiate 100k+ chips and get them to bend rules as well (such as scalloped, saw, etc. inlays or different edge spot set ups) I'd be all over that.

5 - The Le Cove 1000 gold chip is the bomb!

6 - Despite what a few others have said, if you could do a custom mold... well, that would be amazing for a home set as well.

The last thought is - and yes, this is over the top - but what if you could do a custom mold (perhaps saying Pharoah's and then have an Ahnk or Eye of Horus around the edge) with custom shaped inlays, custom edge spots, and custom colors on all chips?

Yeah, it's over the top, but WOW! Either way, I'm in on this for 500.

[mckee27]

Sounds great to me and a few friends of mine. We are definetely in on this PP (Pharaoh's Paulson) order, possibly for a few 1000 chips worth.

[mckee27]

Ten: any timeframe you have in mind for when we will be getting these Pharaoh Paulson chips?? Not to rush anyone, just curious on a timefram? Thanks.

[LMilstein]

I was in the process of designing my own set of "Stock Yard" (Chicago, IL) chips from TR King, but I'm intrigued with the direction of this. I can't commit yet, but I'll follow the thread, and assuming everything keeps going well, I could most likely be added to the list for a large set.

[Eric H]

[ QUOTE ]
Ten: any timeframe you have in mind for when we will be getting these Pharaoh Paulson chips??

[/ QUOTE ]

Did I miss something in this thread, as I didn't think a manufacturer had been chosen yet?

[Prettey Toney]

Ten,

Do what you do!
Depending on the price:
I'm in for 500. Hope this doesn't put you over the edge.

[KungFuSandwich]

I suck at the internet, computers etc. but here is my modification.

I like 2 but the cartoon drives me nuts

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v301/kungfusandwich/Isuck.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v301/kungfusandwich/hurray.jpg

[JJ97]

Ten -

You are costing me money again. This looks great. Count me in for 500-1000 depending on the final design and the final cost per chip.

Thanks again this is awesome.

JJ97

[coyote]

I don't think either of those two graphics are an improvement on the original #2 inlay, IMHO.

I know those two new ones are just a rough mockup, but the look and feel of the original really looks like it belongs, very seamless and classy.

[Cin0s3]

I agree with coyote, the org. #2 has a certain flair to it and the background isnt a distraction to it all. Although I understand where KungFu is coming from. I think it would just default back to #1 if you were going to go that route. I think the whole thing that draws me to #1 is not only the font but the abnormal shape of the design as it just kind of flows without being to sharp. If that same look could be achieved for each graphic then it would make for an awesome set.

Whatever design you end up going with 10% you can count me in for 500 as long as they are Paulsons.

[TenPercenter]

[ QUOTE ]
Ten -

You are costing me money again. This looks great. Count me in for 500-1000 depending on the final design and the final cost per chip.

Thanks again this is awesome.

JJ97

[/ QUOTE ]

I think I can have some more graphics to show you in a day or two. Before I post the whole set, I want to fine tune some more items with the artist. We've got the theme flat out perfect, and I'm now choosing the graphic for each chip.

(Hint: Wouldn't Anubis be perfect for the black $100!?)

We're close though, and they're looking good!

Ten

[Coleman]

I have a preference for freehand drawings as opposed to photos here. Since we're going classic, photos are a bit of a compromise.
The No. 2 example in your first post was most fetching. Can we see more along those lines?

[TenPercenter]

[ QUOTE ]
I have a preference for freehand drawings as opposed to photos here. Since we're going classic, photos are a bit of a compromise.
The No. 2 example in your first post was most fetching. Can we see more along those lines?

[/ QUOTE ]

Yes, that's exactly the direction I'm going.

Ten

[Coleman]

Will samples of the new Paulson mold be revealed prior to April 17th? It seems so far away...

[Prettey Toney]

gotta get the sphinx in there somewhere!

[jwiles]

This whole idea sounds great. Where can I sign up? /images/graemlins/wink.gif /images/graemlins/wink.gif

by the way i would definitely be interested in 1000-1500 chips.

[bubbafry]

I'm also interested in 500-1000 chips, but I'm not 100% in for sure yet (till I'm sure I can scare up the bankroll). I do have a couple thoughts for what they're worth:

1. Looking at the different molds at http://www.trademarkpoker.com/paulson.asp
I like the mold with the thinner rim and larger inlay area (the James Bond mold) rather than the mold with the thicker rim and smaller inlay area (the new stock mold), assuming you are able to get them to make the inlay large enough to cover the area (which I know is uncertain at this point).

2. Are these chips going to be available for general purchase after this group buy, like your Egyptian ChipCo's? It would be nice on one hand to "discontinue" the production of the chips so we would all have a unique set of chips. On the other hand, it would also be nice to be able to buy extras/replacements if necessary, although if you choose colors that are the same as the Standard Stock or James Bond Paulsons, I guess we could just buy Stock/JB's to supplement our sets if necessary.

Anyway, looking forward to how these things turn out. I really like the initial mockups (#2 of course like everyone else).

[Ozazl]

[ QUOTE ]

I think I can have some more graphics to show you in a day or two. Before I post the whole set, I want to fine tune some more items with the artist. We've got the theme flat out perfect, and I'm now choosing the graphic for each chip.

(Hint: Wouldn't Anubis be perfect for the black $100!?)

We're close though, and they're looking good!

Ten

[/ QUOTE ]

Ok the Anubis hint was enough to pull me out of lurk mode. I'm in for 500-100 depending on price and time frame.

Ozazl

[standpat]

Im in for 500-1000 as well (if we are going for paulson, also depending on time frame).. great job so far /images/graemlins/cool.gif

[toots]

Boy, this Anubis thing is turning into a real "Lone Ranger" moment for me. You know, how a whole generation of people can't hear the William Tell Overture without shouting "Hiyo, Silver!" or others can't hear the Blue Danube Waltz without thinking of shuttles docking with space stations?

You guys keep talking about Anubis, and I keep having Stargate SG-1 flashbacks.

I'm hopelessly lost in pop-culture.

[jtr]

Bah. These sound great, I think I will have to commit to 500 at least. One problem for me is being in the UK -- shipping and customs will be a nightmare. Although I guess I could get the chips delivered to a friend in the US and pick them up on my next visit... very interested to hear any more estimates about the time frame for project completion, Ten, as more info becomes available.

[duma]

i will be in for 300-500 chips. if the price is super cheap (like 50cents a chip) i will definately buy more.

[ROCKWHACK]

Long time lurker , first time posting I'd like to thank 10 for getting this rolling , mark me down for 600-800 depending upon price.

[Coleman]

50 cents per?
Mark me down for 10,000.

[Gizmata]

I am also planning on 500+

All depends on what denominations and what the price will be.

[elfleader]

these chips look like there gonna be sweet put me down for anywhere from 500-1000 depending on my bankroll at the time..

[TenPercenter]

[ QUOTE ]
these chips look like there gonna be sweet put me down for anywhere from 500-1000 depending on my bankroll at the time..

[/ QUOTE ]

I'd like to post the "promise form" but I want to be a bit closer to the final draft of all seven chips.

Just watch the board for an annoncement ok?

Ten

[elfleader]

ya no rush...take ur time..im new to things so i didnt know if i was suppose to post here or stuff...good work so far though..

[smoore]

We need a ballpark price for the promise form too /images/graemlins/laugh.gif

[bubbafry]

Hey Ten, just a quick question... Do you have any idea if the promise form will be before or after April 17th (when the new Stock Paulsons come out)? If you think it might be before, I'd like to order some sample JB Paulsons, otherwise I can wait and get some samples of the new mold. Thanks.

[TenPercenter]

[ QUOTE ]
Hey Ten, just a quick question... Do you have any idea if the promise form will be before or after April 17th (when the new Stock Paulsons come out)? If you think it might be before, I'd like to order some sample JB Paulsons, otherwise I can wait and get some samples of the new mold. Thanks.

[/ QUOTE ]

Before, definately.

Ten

[prez2024]

I've never done a group buy, and I'm sure the information is already listed in this monumentally long thread, but I don't have the time to search. From what I have seen, it seems as though the price is not finalized, nor is the time period for completion. That said can anyone give me an estimate for

A: Cost for a 500 chip set
B: When the chips will be available.

Again, it seems like no one knows for sure, but I'm just looking for a rough estimate to know whether or not these badboys are even in my ballpark based on cost and availability. Thanks in advance for any help.

[Spooky]

Not sure where I got this impression, but I was thinking cost was somewhere between .80 and .90 per chip, timeframe probably 2-3 months.

Both of those are probably wrong though (optimistic) /images/graemlins/blush.gif

[jojobinks]

i'd like both those predictions to be true.

[duma]

[ QUOTE ]
Not sure where I got this impression, but I was thinking cost was somewhere between .80 and .90 per chip, timeframe probably 2-3 months.

Both of those are probably wrong though (optimistic) /images/graemlins/blush.gif

[/ QUOTE ]

you better believe that if Ten is buying 100,000 chips then the price will be well below .80. at that volume, anything more than .60 a chip is a ripoff.

[toots]

Actually, I was assuming it'd be around $.90.

First off, how do we determine what is and isn't a ripoff? Paulson obvious has enough cachet that people are willing to pay extra. The question is, just how much does that cachet cost?

[duma]

dude, we are buying 100,000 chips! just let that number sink in and think about it for a moment.

[Lumpy]

The JB's from dice702 are .92 each in lots of 5000. That is retail. I'm guessing 100,000 will be quite a bit cheaper.

[TenPercenter]

[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
Not sure where I got this impression, but I was thinking cost was somewhere between .80 and .90 per chip, timeframe probably 2-3 months.

Both of those are probably wrong though (optimistic) /images/graemlins/blush.gif

[/ QUOTE ]

you better believe that if Ten is buying 100,000 chips then the price will be well below .80. at that volume, anything more than .60 a chip is a ripoff.

[/ QUOTE ]

But remember, this is Paulson... There's not a lot of margin in Paulsons unless we bought over a million or two million.

Bear in mind, I have not made any kind of deals yet. I will NOT post prices until I have a firm grip on what they'll be. But I can almost assure you they won't be .60. The range I am guessing (guessing!) is .80 to .90. They are retailing for $1.50 singles, $1.15 in sets.


Ten

[Spooky]

So you think an order (the minimum size custom order they take) is justification enough for nearly 50% off the price of their newest product?

I don't see it.. but I'd love for you to be right.

[Eric H]

[ QUOTE ]
dude, we are buying 100,000 chips! just let that number sink in and think about it for a moment.

[/ QUOTE ]

While 100,000 chips seems like a lot to us, in reality, it is not a large order for Paulson. I would not get my hopes up for the low prices some are suggesting.

But, we can dream!

[jojobinks]

[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
dude, we are buying 100,000 chips! just let that number sink in and think about it for a moment.

[/ QUOTE ]

While 100,000 chips seems like a lot to us, in reality, it is not a large order for Paulson. I would not get my hopes up for the low prices some are suggesting.

But, we can dream!

[/ QUOTE ]

alright. let's talk about that. how many chips does a medium sized, non mega-casino order in a year, would we guess?

[spicychili]

I wish I would have found this site before I got my chips. I love the Egyptians and would like some of these but just cant justify another large chip purchase.

Great design though. I go have a nice set up chipco chips (1300 of them), so I am fine for now.

[Eric H]

[ QUOTE ]
alright. let's talk about that. how many chips does a medium sized, non mega-casino order in a year, would we guess?

[/ QUOTE ]

Sounds like a good question for Paulsonchips.

[ott]

[ QUOTE ]

While 100,000 chips seems like a lot to us, in reality, it is not a large order for Paulson. I would not get my hopes up for the low prices some are suggesting.

But, we can dream!

[/ QUOTE ]

Actually, 100,000 chips is consider a very large order for a casino, but the price casino pays are much much higher than the home chips.

[spicychili]

Hey. Lets see if we can get the RFID chips put in them... get a bulk rate on door scanners... then when people pocket the chips in home games you can nail them on the front lawn before they get away.

Just kidding.

[Johnny5]

[ QUOTE ]
Actually, 100,000 chips is consider a very large order for a casino

[/ QUOTE ]

Agree, but probably depends a lot on the casino.

[ QUOTE ]
the price casino pays are much much higher than the home chips.

[/ QUOTE ]

Really? How much do casino's pay per chip? /images/graemlins/tongue.gif

Seriously, many current casino Paulsons have security features that would up the cost for sure, but without those, I doubt they cost any more (probably even less) than the home chips (which we don't even have a price on anyway!).

J5

[ott]

[ QUOTE ]

[ QUOTE ]
the price casino pays are much much higher than the home chips.

[/ QUOTE ]

Really? How much do casino's pay per chip? /images/graemlins/tongue.gif

Seriously, many current casino Paulsons have security features that would up the cost for sure, but without those, I doubt they cost any more (probably even less) than the home chips (which we don't even have a price on anyway!).

J5

[/ QUOTE ]

The chip price that casinos pay are close to $2/chip even for quantity greater than 5 or 10 thousand. All of those LE chips that you see in Vegas and casinos elsewhere, only occasionally do you see LE chips in denoms less than $5. That's because if they made too many $1 LE chips, they end up losing a lot of money because of all the collectors and tourists walking off with them. Even the non-LE $1 house chips, casinos are losing money if too many of those "walk" off.

Also think about $0.25 and $0.50 denomination chips, if collectors or people bought those from the casinos by the rackfuls, the casinos would be losing quite a bit of money.

[hunterking]

hey i was just wondering which mold Paulson would use, the traditional hat and cane or the newer one used for the new JB's. The traditional h &amp; c mold is far superior...anyway...put me down for 500 or so...

hunter

[TenPercenter]

[ QUOTE ]
hey i was just wondering which mold Paulson would use, the traditional hat and cane or the newer one used for the new JB's. The traditional h &amp; c mold is far superior...anyway...put me down for 500 or so...

hunter

[/ QUOTE ]

We don't know yet. Once I have an image I'll show you (if it's allowed). It'll likely be a "mostly" like the JB one, with a wider texture ring around the outside, and less flat area in the middle.

Ten