Building a bankroll - Casino whoring style

[Homer]

I'm creating a website for complete newbie casino whores and would like some feedback, mostly from posters who have never whored before and maybe from 1 or 2 experienced posters.

I expect to be finished and have a rough draft uploaded by Wednesday or so. If anyone is interested in looking it over for me, I'd appreciate it.

-- Homer

p.s. - Please respond by PM. Thanks...

[chesterp]

i've been reading up on casino whoring on 2+2 lately. tempted to get started soon, but sooooo many poker bonuses to do. i know there are great deals out there- i'd esp. liketo know which sites have great monthly bonuses (so i know i need to get started) and what the average hourly winning rate would be on monthly bonuses (i'm at $10-15/hr. playing poker, so only interested in casino whoring that beats that. anyone have these # details? ifnot, i'll wait for your site. good luck with it.

[Dariel86]

Casino bonuses beat pokerbonus 100-0. They have autoplay, you don't need to do anything, just sit back and roll in the cash :P

[JackWilson]

Man, that does sound good but I have no idea what you're talking about, having never done a casino bonus before. I'd like to hear more about it. What is the typical deal like? What casino games do you play?

[Hiding]

I've never casino whored before, but would like too. The biggest thing that has always confused me is the autoplay. Is it a software package? Or part of the casino software? Honestly I haven't even researched it but am interested in trying it, which I suppose makes me lazy.

[Homer]

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Man, that does sound good but I have no idea what you're talking about, having never done a casino bonus before. I'd like to hear more about it. What is the typical deal like? What casino games do you play?

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Questions like that are exactly what motivated me to create this site. It seems there is a need for a simple site that explains the basics of casino whoring and helps a new whore get his/her foot in the door. Ideally, my site will help with that.

-- Homer

[Homer]

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I've never casino whored before, but would like too. The biggest thing that has always confused me is the autoplay. Is it a software package? Or part of the casino software? Honestly I haven't even researched it but am interested in trying it, which I suppose makes me lazy.

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Autoplay is a feature offered by casinos that use the newest version of Microgaming software (which is called Viper). It is surprising simple to use. My site will go into detail on how to set it up and use it and a few starter casinos to try it out on.

[Emmitt2222]

Hey Homer, thanks for your awesome contribution to this forum, I'm sure this website will rock more than the BW thread you made. With that said I play 2/4 with rakeback and have done extensive BWing in the past but that is dying down as I move up limits. Do you think there is enough easy money in Casino whoring that I should step away from the 2/4 game every once and awhile?

[LinusKS]

The biggest problem with casino whoring is their T&C's are insanely difficult to comprehend. They go out of their way to make the terms of the bonuses hard to find, and the explanations - when you finally find them - are often contradictory and vague.

You have to find them, though, because every T&C is different, and if you're not careful, you'll wind up playing BJ at a casino where BJ is excluded from the wager requirement. My worst experience ever was when I put in a ton of money for what seemed like an especially juicy bonus, only to find out after the fact that only slots were allowed. I lost it all, of course.

Also, there's a lot of shady casinos out there. CasinoMeister's full of stories of casinos vanishing into the night, and there's at least one confirmed case of a casino dealing seconds to itself. You can read about it at the Wizard of Odds. I'm sure it's not the only one.

I did all the bonuses at CasinoWhores, but I don't go out of my way to look for them anymore. The amount of time it takes to sort them, plus the danger of getting ripped off, makes them -EV, from my point of view.

Now if there was a site that did that for me, that would be something else...

As I'm sure you know, Homer, the Casinos pay buttloads to webmasters who direct traffic to their sites. As a result, most casino "review" sites are nothing more than shills for whichever casinos pay them.

An honest site would be valuable, especially since CasinoWhores has closed.

[Homer]

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Do you think there is enough easy money in Casino whoring that I should step away from the 2/4 game every once and awhile?

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I wouldn't say that you should step away, but you could use casino whoring to take a break from the grind of poker. My site is only going to list about 10 casinos, those that are the easiest to play and most likely to result in profit. Your expected profit from those 10 casinos will be along the lines of $1200-1300 (off the top of my head, need to review exact numbers). There are many more casinos out there that are profitable, but these are the best for those just starting out.

-- Homer

[Homer]

I agree with everything you said. To address some of your comments:

- I only plan on listing about 10 casinos, those that I consider the most reputable and those that are easiest to profit from.

- I didn't go into this expecting to turn a profit. I'm not listing all of the casinos out there that are +EV, and if I did, I would gladly tell it like it is for those that are sketchy. If I was out to make a quick buck, I'd create a banner farm and tell people to play at some casino that offers a $250 CPA.

-- Homer

[playersare]

until homer's site goes up, you can also check out www.fairbet.org. (http://www.fairbet.org.) they are very good at identifying any T&C restrictions regarding higher WR's for blackjack and video poker, or whether they are even accepted towards the bonus in the first place. using their lists I have never ended up depositing money at an online casino which later on turned out to not accept my games of choice to fulfill their bonus (sadly this list is quite small nowadays).

before I settled on being a +2BB/100 micro-limit whore for good, I didn't try any autoplay/viper/micro sites and I would definitely like to see Homer's analysis and recommendations about those opportunities.

I have this reply to an old casino whore thread if anyone finds it useful:
http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/showflat.php?Cat=&Board=inet&Number=1425377

[Homer]

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Homer I seriously think this will pretty much kill casino whoring. Your post on building a br for poker newbies has been seen by so many people you now have an impressive reputation. If the whole zoo gets as mad about casino bonuses as they are already about party reloads - just think about it. Already BW has had a significant impact. Don't kill it for people by making it too easy to do just because you want the ego-trip of putting up a website with a lot of hits. If people are interested they can find out stuff already without your website Homer. Think about it. If nothing else think about whether you personally still want to make some dough out of casino-whoring.

Just my point of view Homer but you won't find my thanking you for driving hordes of people into a toughening market.

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[$DEADSEXE$]

Whenever I read about Cainsowhoring on here it always seemed too good to be true.
Just put your $200,click autoplay, go to bed and wake up with $400-$600 bucks etc.
Maybe I'm wrong...hopefully I am...but I have to admit having a computer autoplay $1,$2,$,3 bets all night long kinda freaks me out a bit....maybe Homer can clairify it a bit more on his site.

Is Casino whoring better,i.e. more profitable and easyer than Poker whoring?

[Nick MC]

Just asking you to think about whether you are really helping people Homer.

BTW soliciting a PM and then posting it is poor etiquette.

Don't like you much either right now. But I won't finish with sarcasm,

NIck

[Homer]

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BTW soliciting a PM and then posting it is poor etiquette.

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I suppose that was in poor taste, sorry.

I don't see why you feel the need to say this, however...

"Don't kill it for people by making it too easy to do just because you want the ego-trip of putting up a website with a lot of hits."

You know nothing about me. To dismiss something that I working on as an "ego-trip" is highly insulting.

[kurosh]

Homer, please don't do this. A lot of us have went through a lot of research and trouble to casino whore. Right now the bonuses are extremely fragile. 2+2 has a huge reader base and if someone makes it simple for them to do it, they WILL kill whatever bonuses you put up and as you know, there's a big domino effect.

[Homer]

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Homer, please don't do this. A lot of us have went through a lot of research and trouble to casino whore. Right now the bonuses are extremely fragile. 2+2 has a huge reader base and if someone makes it simple for them to do it, they WILL kill whatever bonuses you put up and as you know, there's a big domino effect.

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Well, I guess I will let the posters decide. If enough people object, I won't do it.

-- Ego-driven Homer

[TxBuckeye]

You may want to read through this link before deciding. It basiclly does what you are describing and it's been around a few months. You may be reinventing the wheel. But you can decide if it's the same thing you had in mind.

Beginner's Casino Guide (http://suckout.blogspot.com/2004/12/beginners-guide-to-casino-bonuses.html)

[Player12345]

i'm too lazy to do all the research and i think it is a great idea. if i felt like some blackjack for a change, i would rather be able to go to one site that summarizes everything and tells me where the best current bonuses are. who wants to do all that searching?

i'm curious why you think this is about ego? i assumed that homer was doing this for business just like moondogg, granny, jek, pokeraddict and everyone else. maybe i am missing something?

[Homer]

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i'm curious why you think this is about ego? i assumed that homer was doing this for business just like moondogg, granny, jek, pokeraddict and everyone else. maybe i am missing something?

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It's not really a business thing, though I wouldn't mind making a few bucks from it. Basically, I like to do stuff like this to kill time when I'm not sleeping or suffering through the drudgery of work.

[kurosh]

Of course the vast majority of posters won't object. But honestly, why are you doing this? Casino bonuses are not like poker bonuses. They can get killed very quickly. The only effect of the website will be the quick demise of whatever bonuses you put on there.

[LinusKS]

This attitude is all over the BW. It's incredibly annoying.

Sometimes it seems like the whole forum is devoted to bitch-slapping anybody who posts anything that might accidently be useful or helpful to someone.

I don't know Homer's motive (if it were me, I'd be doing it for the money), but he has as much right to post info about bonuses as other people have to keep it to themselves.

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Homer I seriously think this will pretty much kill casino whoring. Your post on building a br for poker newbies has been seen by so many people you now have an impressive reputation. If the whole zoo gets as mad about casino bonuses as they are already about party reloads - just think about it. Already BW has had a significant impact. Don't kill it for people by making it too easy to do just because you want the ego-trip of putting up a website with a lot of hits. If people are interested they can find out stuff already without your website Homer. Think about it. If nothing else think about whether you personally still want to make some dough out of casino-whoring.

Just my point of view Homer but you won't find my thanking you for driving hordes of people into a toughening market.

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[rusty JEDI]

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Homer I seriously think this will pretty much kill casino whoring. Your post on building a br for poker newbies has been seen by so many people you now have an impressive reputation. If the whole zoo gets as mad about casino bonuses as they are already about party reloads - just think about it. Already BW has had a significant impact. Don't kill it for people by making it too easy to do just because you want the ego-trip of putting up a website with a lot of hits. If people are interested they can find out stuff already without your website Homer. Think about it. If nothing else think about whether you personally still want to make some dough out of casino-whoring.

Just my point of view Homer but you won't find my thanking you for driving hordes of people into a toughening market.

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It absolutely drives me nuts how the people at bwhores think they should be the only ones allowed to make money casino whoring. Its like they think they invented it themselves. Seriously, most of them probably found out about it from a forum in the first place. Bloody hypocrites.

I think what you are doing is good and should be shared for all.

All the protectionist whores really shouldnt be pissed off considering theyve done these casinos already. But, they are angry because theyve devised multiple ways to get multiple accounts.



A quote from a bwhores poster mad about this.



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I, for one, do these bonuses multiple times. Some of those are extremely profitable. Reef/CON probably won't care about the 2+2 influxion but Captain Cook's will get killed. Just don't put the GP group there.

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In reality they should feel how i do. Ive done these casinos so why should it bother me at all. I tell friends to do them, but never do it for them and never offer them a $100 for their identity.

rJ

[Entity]

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Of course the vast majority of posters won't object. But honestly, why are you doing this? Casino bonuses are not like poker bonuses. They can get killed very quickly. The only effect of the website will be the quick demise of whatever bonuses you put on there.

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This is the same sort of attitude that was prevalent when FatWallet was spawned as a deal-sharing site. Many people complained when a deal was posted on AnandTech's Hot Deals section as well.

It's not going to end Casino Whoring, though it may make some bonuses more difficult to achieve. I would welcome it, but I'm not a casino whore, so I suppose that makes sense.

Rob

[IggyWH]

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I, for one, do these bonuses multiple times. Some of those are extremely profitable. Reef/CON probably won't care about the 2+2 influxion but Captain Cook's will get killed. Just don't put the GP group there.

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In reality they should feel how i do. Ive done these casinos so why should it bother me at all. I tell friends to do them, but never do it for them and never offer them a $100 for their identity.

rJ

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What I like about that post is Homer's website is going to kill casino whoring... but creating multiple fake accounts is okay to do.

[Uglyowl]

I have found out it isn't the easiest thing to whore:

1. You need a rather large bankroll... withdrawals take about a week.

2. It takes awhile to set up... downloads aren't the fastest.

I always wondered if there was a great deal out there (not saying this is, I am new to this) that people would be pissed the knowledge gets out there.

[LinusKS]

Yeah, lol. They're full of righteous indignation because somebody might make it harder for them to cheat.

It's like if I went around 2+2 saying, "How dare you tell people about semi-bluffing!! Don't you know that makes the game harder for me to beat?"

[kurosh]

It's not like the information isn't out there. To put it in terms of poker, it's like making a cheat sheet if you could for SSH and handing it out to everyone. If you want to play poker well, you can go read the books. If somehow someone DID make a cheat sheet that would impart the knowledge, I'm sure everyone here would be incredibly pissed off. If you really want to go bonus whore, go research it, find the casinos and learn.

[Player12345]

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If you really want to go bonus whore, go research it, find the casinos and learn.

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i understand this sentiment. however, if there is a cheat sheet out there, i would use it. so kudos to the businessman who is first to put a good cheat sheet up there because they will get my business.

[Uglyowl]

I think alot of this casino whoring stuff is too good to be true. There are so many hoops to jump through it is aggravating.

[LinusKS]

I don't think anybody here would be pissed off at any post that explained how to play better poker. In fact, I suspect people would be thrilled to see you post it That's what this whole forum is about.

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It's not like the information isn't out there. To put it in terms of poker, it's like making a cheat sheet if you could for SSH and handing it out to everyone. If you want to play poker well, you can go read the books. If somehow someone DID make a cheat sheet that would impart the knowledge, I'm sure everyone here would be incredibly pissed off. If you really want to go bonus whore, go research it, find the casinos and learn.

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[Uglyowl]

I think people are wrestling with greed vs. helpfulness at this point.

[kurosh]

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I don't think anybody here would be pissed off at any post that explained how to play better poker. In fact, I suspect people would be thrilled to see you post it That's what this whole forum is about.

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It's not like the information isn't out there. To put it in terms of poker, it's like making a cheat sheet if you could for SSH and handing it out to everyone. If you want to play poker well, you can go read the books. If somehow someone DID make a cheat sheet that would impart the knowledge, I'm sure everyone here would be incredibly pissed off. If you really want to go bonus whore, go research it, find the casinos and learn.

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What if I posted it on a party poker message board that everyone who played there read (pretend one exists)?

[Uglyowl]

There is no secret to the fish that this information exists. It is just not exciting poker to alot of people to play right. Winning poker = boring poker.

[kurosh]

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There is no secret to the fish that this information exists. It is just not exciting poker to alot of people to play right. Winning poker = boring poker.

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That is my point. For all purposes, you guys are the casino whoring fish. You're all aware of the website but are too lazy to research it. Work = bad. Here it is: www.bonuswhores.com (http://www.bonuswhores.com) .

[LinusKS]

Kurosh, what are you talking about?

Everyone here knows about bw. I've mentioned it twice.

As far as "lazy" goes, what does that have to do with anything?

Isn't the real issue that you want to keep the info to yourself?

[kurosh]

The information is out there. What I have a problem with is it being compiled in one easy to use list and released to the masses.

[Homer]

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The information is out there. What I have a problem with is it being compiled in one easy to use list and released to the masses.

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www.bonuswhores.com/casino (http://www.bonuswhores.com/casino) has compiled information that was released to the masses. There wasn't much complaint when that came out because not many people had casino whored before then. Now people who are "in the know", most likely because of such sites, want to keep others from obtaining similar information in a similar way.

[Uglyowl]

You hit the nail on the head Homer, it was ok when they were told, but not others.

[memphis57]

Go for it, Homer, don't listen to the naysayers. There's always this sky-is-falling reaction to the sharing of any useful info (usually from people who just recently had the info shared with them). The few deals that get killed off probably would have gotten killed off anyway and other deals get offered that never would have been offered if there hadn't been an increase in interest. It's a net good for the industry and the community.

[Uglyowl]

I say go for it.. the amount of trouble it will save people from shady operations and knowing what the obstacles are will make it better for all!

[gonzo787]

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It absolutely drives me nuts how the people at bwhores think they should be the only ones allowed to make money casino whoring. Its like they think they invented it themselves. Seriously, most of them probably found out about it from a forum in the first place. Bloody hypocrites.


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Please don't generalize the sentiment of BW posters. While this is true of some posters, it doesn't represent how the majority of posters of BW feel. For the most part, they are willing to share information--just as much as any other public forum, including 2+2.

[shadow29]

What's the deal w/ age requirements and identification requirements for casinos?

[kdog]

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www.bonuswhores.com/casino (http://www.bonuswhores.com/casino) has compiled information that was released to the masses. There wasn't much complaint when that came out because not many people had casino whored before then. Now people who are "in the know", most likely because of such sites, want to keep others from obtaining similar information in a similar way.

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Exactly Homer. Anybody looked in on BW's Casino Forums lately? Nothing but a bunch of whinny little pussies crying about how "their" casino bounuses will go away if more people take advantage of them. 90% of the ungrateful focks wouldn't have known what to do in the first place if they hadn't read what you(Homer) wrote for BW.

Put up whatever you want Homer. I wouldn't do any that aren't autoplay because I don't enjoy casino games but there are plenty of others who do.

[Subby]

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The information is out there. What I have a problem with is it being compiled in one easy to use list and released to the masses.

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The information is already out there. Have you been to the bankroll builder web site recently? They have an exhaustive list of every casino bonus rated from 1-A on down the line. That list is the roadmap I use when whoring. Homer is only duplicating what folks have already done and putting his own helpful spin on it.

Nice work, H.

[GrannyMae]

if in homer's shoes and had the time and talent to construct, i would create such a site for profit.

pshaw to the whiners all.

business is business, welcome to the business of e-gaming. the boats pulling away, be on it or wave from the dock.

[Shoe]

are URL's allowed in the location field now? I thought we had to keep that stuff in the classifieds (even if you have an ad).

[rusty JEDI]

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It absolutely drives me nuts how the people at bwhores think they should be the only ones allowed to make money casino whoring. Its like they think they invented it themselves. Seriously, most of them probably found out about it from a forum in the first place. Bloody hypocrites.


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Please don't generalize the sentiment of BW posters. While this is true of some posters, it doesn't represent how the majority of posters of BW feel. For the most part, they are willing to share information--just as much as any other public forum, including 2+2.

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Very true. Most all of the posters there do not fit into the group i labeled. There is more than a few though who openly dont want the information shared, and IMO its for selfish multiple account reasons.

rJ

[Uglyowl]

Yeah, alot of them have gnomes over there and we want to do it legit. Oh well

[Timer]

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I've never casino whored before, but would like too. The biggest thing that has always confused me is the autoplay. Is it a software package? Or part of the casino software? Honestly I haven't even researched it but am interested in trying it, which I suppose makes me lazy.

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Autoplay is a feature offered by casinos that use the newest version of Microgaming software (which is called Viper). It is surprising simple to use. My site will go into detail on how to set it up and use it and a few starter casinos to try it out on.

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I'd like to know how you could possibly make a profit playing casino games with a built in negative expectation. Unless of course the bonus will make it a positive expectation, but I'd like to see the math on this written out explicitly.

I'd also like to ignore all of the hassles. Delays cashing out. Jump through 50 different hoops. Poor customer service, etc. don't make whoring palatable. Party and Empire are nice and easy and the bonuses are good size. I also like the fact that you get them in one lump sum.

I'd also like to know what sites have IGM pay type services for getting your money in and out. I see people talking about Neteller all the time, which I don't even have. IGM pay is painless and fast. Withdrawing to here to take it there and back again is too much aggravation unless I'm not understanding something, which is probably the case.

I'm bonus whoring right now, but I still have a lot more questions about it.

While you're at it you could include a page on rake back. I got screwed out of my rake back deal on Party and Empire because they said I put in the wrong bonus code. That really fries me. I signed up under a friend who had an account. He told me to try Party. You'll get some of your rake back. So I signed up and we jumped through all the hoops and they screwed me (us) plain and simple. I don't want to go through that again. Then I got an account at Empire, and they did the exact same thing!

I've been to countless rake back sites, but their directions are confusing, and because of past problems I'm afraid I'm going to make a mistake. Some of us are like children and need to be walked through things.

Besides you know two of the most commonly asked questions on this forum are about rake backs and whoring, a close third is about what kind of monitors and video cards to use to set up multiple tables.

Rake back deals are so confusing. Who do you go with? Who can you trust? What is the absolute best deal you can get? Who should you avoid? How can you set it up so that you are getting people to sign up under you? Why did I get screwed on my particular deal, and do (or did) I have any recourse?

I'm to the point now where I won't play anywhere without a rake back deal, especially when I hear about the the good deals other people are getting, so in the meantime I'll just bonus whore instead.

Good luck on your site, you posts are very informative.

[SackUp]

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I've never casino whored before, but would like too. The biggest thing that has always confused me is the autoplay. Is it a software package? Or part of the casino software? Honestly I haven't even researched it but am interested in trying it, which I suppose makes me lazy.

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Autoplay is a feature offered by casinos that use the newest version of Microgaming software (which is called Viper). It is surprising simple to use. My site will go into detail on how to set it up and use it and a few starter casinos to try it out on.

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I'd like to know how you could possibly make a profit playing casino games with a built in negative expectation. Unless of course the bonus will make it a positive expectation, but I'd like to see the math on this written out explicitly.

I'd also like to ignore all of the hassles. Delays cashing out. Jump through 50 different hoops. Poor customer service, etc. don't make whoring palatable. Party and Empire are nice and easy and the bonuses are good size. I also like the fact that you get them in one lump sum.

I'd also like to know what sites have IGM pay type services for getting your money in and out. I see people talking about Neteller all the time, which I don't even have. IGM pay is painless and fast. Withdrawing to here to take it there and back again is too much aggravation unless I'm not understanding something, which is probably the case.

I'm bonus whoring right now, but I still have a lot more questions about it.

While you're at it you could include a page on rake back. I got screwed out of my rake back deal on Party and Empire because they said I put in the wrong bonus code. That really fries me. I signed up under a friend who had an account. He told me to try Party. You'll get some of your rake back. So I signed up and we jumped through all the hoops and they screwed me (us) plain and simple. I don't want to go through that again. Then I got an account at Empire, and they did the exact same thing!

I've been to countless rake back sites, but their directions are confusing, and because of past problems I'm afraid I'm going to make a mistake. Some of us are like children and need to be walked through things.

Besides you know two of the most commonly asked questions on this forum are about rake backs and whoring, a close third is about what kind of monitors and video cards to use to set up multiple tables.

Rake back deals are so confusing. Who do you go with? Who can you trust? What is the absolute best deal you can get? Who should you avoid? How can you set it up so that you are getting people to sign up under you? Why did I get screwed on my particular deal, and do (or did) I have any recourse?

I'm to the point now where I won't play anywhere without a rake back deal, especially when I hear about the the good deals other people are getting, so in the meantime I'll just bonus whore instead.

Good luck on your site, you posts are very informative.

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The only thing is this has actually all been done pretty well at www.onlineblackjackguide.com (http://www.onlineblackjackguide.com)

They basically walk you through every bonus and how to do it extremely well. Their basics section is decent, but I guess there could be some improvement on exactly what bonuses to hit first and what not...though their rotating top 10 is solid.

Also if you want the math on the casinos then go to www.wizardofodds.com (http://www.wizardofodds.com)

All this info is out there, if you know where to find it. BW has solid info in the forums as well.

I support you for sure Homer as I know you have helped me get lots of quick bucks. I would rather you get some small profits from affiliate stuff if that may be the case over some clowns i don't know. You get lots of press and could easily take away many banner clicks from bw and OBJ if you make this site. So GL!

And all the biatches who were whining about the bonuses being out there are retarded. There are tons of sites out there that already do this as mentioned above. And those sites are talked about on 2+2 all the damn time. The only thing that happens is certain bonuses won't be as good, but that happens anyhow. You just need to hit them up quickly. Nothing much will change by Homer making this site so calm down! Don't be so uppity like many BW posters are (yes a generalization, but very true on the whole).

Whore it up fellas!!

[bholdr]

seriously, there are like 30k users here now, we will break the casinos. (actually, i'm sure that they profit overall from the problem gamblers that they create w/ their bonuses, but, enough 2+2ers are disciplined enough to totally destroy the starluck, planetluck, etc, bonuses, IMHO.)

which is fine with me, i've already whored all the easy bonuses. you will be taking advantage and using their affiliate programs, right? it's about time you had a website- you've probably made people an ungodly ammount of money with your 'building a bankroll for newbies' post alone, not to mention your fine work on BWs.


I feel that i got into casino whoring right before the whole thing's about to go tits-up. i started about three and a half months ago, and the number of posts and users on all the various casinowhorin' forums have at least doubled since then (seems like).


thoughts?

[bholdr]

it's a friggin joke how easily online casinos give away money. or, more properly, how problem gamblers make it easy for them to afford to do so.

get on it now, because i am convinced that this post is the beggining of the end.

[mmbt0ne]

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seriously, there are like 30k users here now, we will break the casinos.

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I know IceMan, Sup Bro, Sophia, CinnamonWind, Lansing, Steven Punk, GWB, have all done the bonuses already. As have all of the spammers.

[bholdr]

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It's like if I went around 2+2 saying, "How dare you tell people about semi-bluffing!! Don't you know that makes the game harder for me to beat?"[.quote]
actually, it's totally different. BJ, and other casinowhorin' games aren't beatable in the first place, the bonus is the only thing that makes them profitable. if enough players start abusing said bonuses, they will disappear. to extend your analogy, it's like if enough people started semi-bluffing, the whole strategy of doing so would be banned from the game. BWs have a justifiable intrest in protecting their little niche in the online world. not saying it's right, but it is justifiable.

IMHO, as always.


and the more people that know about semi bluffing, the more people will try to pull it on the real experienced players that know how to defeat/ profit from it. mwaaahaahaa!.

[bholdr]

i don't get your post at all.

edit: oh i get it, a % of the users are BS. true, but, 2+2 will still destroy the easy boni, IMHO. (not that i care, i already did 'em)

[bholdr]

usually, USUALLY, you just check a box that says 'i am of age'. sometimes they ask for ID, but rarely.

what are you, 16 or something? /images/graemlins/grin.gif

[mmbt0ne]

Maybe, MAYBE, 8k people regularly contribute to these forums. Of these, let's say 50% make their way into the zoo from time to time. Now, probably 90% of these people care enough about the $100-$200 casino bonuses to do them since they're playing high stakes anyway and don't feel the need.

Now do you see where I'm going with this?

EDIT: Wow, we started those 2 posts almost exactly the same. That is neat.

[bholdr]

you make a good point. we'll see. it will be intresting. for now, i am withdrawing all my outstanding casino balances.

[jonnyb]

After reading this huge thread, I'd like to quote the retarded guy from Anchorman: "What are we yelling about?"

[Dariel86]

My opinion is that you really can get the whoring info elsewhere if you want. The terms of bonuses will get shittier for sure if everyone starts whoring. Then it ain't going to be any easy money anymore.

[edfurlong]

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My opinion is that you really can get the whoring info elsewhere if you want. The terms of bonuses will get shittier for sure if everyone starts whoring. Then it ain't going to be any easy money anymore.

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I wonder why the other places you can get the info are providing it... Perhaps the same reason Homer plans to?

The point is this will be informative to some people, but he will see some profit from it. I can't see any fault in that I came around to early to make use of his bankroll building post, but it would have been amazing to have it a couple years ago.

I don't really have a point, but good luck on the venture Homer.

[shadow29]

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usually, USUALLY, you just check a box that says 'i am of age'. sometimes they ask for ID, but rarely.

what are you, 16 or something? /images/graemlins/grin.gif

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No, I'm just not 21. Didn't know if the rules were strange (like Prima sometimes asks for Utility Bill).

[archmagi]

cash-out times are very important.
as one who never whored casinos (well only once), I would happily review your site and since I was thinking of going on a whoring spree anyway, even be a guinea pig.

[Strollen]

Homer this would be great.

Just yesterday. I posted this message over at Bonus Whore's and got no response.
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Any recommendations for a website or FAQ that has an update to list of non-sticky casino bonus.

So far I have used the invaluable
http://suckout.blogspot.com/2004/12/beginners-guide-to-casino-bonuses.html and worked my way down to through most of the casinos in Step 2.

I also have been to http://www.onlineblackjackguide.com/rankings.html which has some handy charts but I am not sure it is kept update. A couple of casino bonus weren't flagged as sticky but actually were or they don't allow BJ. I signed up for one casino Indo that I thought had a regular 100% match bonus 15x (D+B) WR, only to find out that the bonus was sticky. Luckily, I was up $550, so I won't complain.


So far my favorites have been Starluck, and Planetluck, great bonuses, low WRs, good customer service, and lightning fast withdrawls, a Bonus Whore's dream. I'l definetly be back to do the IGM Pay bonus.

TIA for any help.

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I just started casino whoring a couple of weeks ago and I've done 8 casino bonus. The first casino I did Golden Palace was such a hassle, I definitely would have avoided doing it if I had understood that the bonus was sticky (i.e. it well disappear when you withdraw money) and it is easier/faster to get a home equity loan than cashout from Golden Palace. (I'm still waiting 2 weeks after requesting a withdrawl)

This folks is why we need Homer's website.

To the people whining about this destroying casino bonus shame on you for being so selfish, not to mention silly. The beauty of the internet is it facilitate information sharing, which equalize the power imbalance between us the masses and large institutions.

The cover story of last weeks Barron's had an article about Partygaming, the parent company of Party Poker, Planetluck, and Starluck Casino, preparing to go Public for an estimated $5,000,000,000. Let's see if 10,000 2+2ers whore PlanetLuck for $100 each that is $1,000,000 in bonuses. Let's see $1 million for a company worth $5 billion, peanuts?, naw more like mouse nuts!

Homer top two request for your website are #1 a glossary of terms, and #2 each link to a casino should also have a link to the T&amp;C for the casino promotions. Casino's like to hide them for fear of terrifying the fish and frustrating the bonus whore.

[Freakin]

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My opinion is that you really can get the whoring info elsewhere if you want. The terms of bonuses will get shittier for sure if everyone starts whoring. Then it ain't going to be any easy money anymore.

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I'm sure people said the exact same thing when sites like casinowhores.com came out.... Back then 5x WR were commonplace, no? So they already have gotten shittier for everyone else, but you're not complaining about the current situation, are you?

Freakin

[bholdr]

I wouldn't worry about it. the only casinos that I know ask for ID are Lasseters and aus vegas, though there could be more. most microgaming casinos ask for the last four digits of your ss number. i don't know if this reveals your age or not.

in addition, the box says "of legal age" it makes no mention of what that age is. just do it. you could lose, what, a hundy? big deal, you'll lose that when you bust some of the casinos anyway, there is more than enough profit out there to cover it.

[Strollen]

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I'd like to know how you could possibly make a profit playing casino games with a built in negative expectation. Unless of course the bonus will make it a positive expectation, but I'd like to see the math on this written out explicitly.


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Here is the basic math.
Unlike poker bonus which pay you after you've completed raked hands, casino's give you the money upfront. The catch is that you aren't allowed to withdraw any money (yours or the bonus money) until you have wagered $X.

A good casino bonus might be deposit $100, which they match with $100. You than have to wager $3000 before withdrawing.

The house advantage on blackjack (played correctly) is ~.5%. So that means you on average you'll lose $15 ( $3000 * .5%) before meeting the wagering requirement, but they gave you $100 up front so you are left with an $85 profit. If you have the patience to bet $1 you are virtually assured of doing no worse than break even. If you are like me and bet $5 to $10 hand your variance is higher but you can clear the bonus in a couple of hours or less.

The biggest problem is that for every good casino bonus with a +EV there are several with a marginal EV, and even some with -EVs. Unfortunately, without literally reading the fine print and doing the math, it is impossible to figure out which is which, because the Casino promotions are so deceptive.

[Blackjack]

Hmmm lets see.

Starluck pays 75$ per signup CPA up to 250$ if you get enough signups.

Ditto with Planetluck, Aceclub.

He'll be potentially making up to $500 per person who signs up through his system via 2+2.

Blackjack

[mmbt0ne]

Except that for all of those referrals the player has to wager $x AND work off all bonuses before the affiliate gets paid. He'll make nothing off of the whores who stop by the casino for the bonus and never come back.

[olgrampy]

I think it'd be great to see. Hope the site does well.

[Shoe]

Should you play multiple hands of blackjack if the site allows, or does that increase the variance too much?

For example, at the site i'm at now i can play 3 hands at once, each at $1 a piece.

[KingDan]

My question about this is the amount of risk if I put it on autoplay. If i put my half of my bankroll on a given bonus, what are the risk of ruin?

[Jamey Saunders]

Go here (http://www.bonuswhores.com/casino/captaincooks.html) and look at the chart about half-way down the page. You'll see the risk of ruin for clearing the Captain Cook's bonus at $1/hand, $2/hand, $3/hand, $5/hand, and $10/hand.

[Homer]

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My question about this is the amount of risk if I put it on autoplay. If i put my half of my bankroll on a given bonus, what are the risk of ruin?

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If you do the bonuses in a specific order, you can put all of your bankroll on the first bonus and your risk of ruin will still be quite low. If you want more info, let me know.