"Official" Live at the Bike thread (2/26 show)

[Kevmath]

Since it was asked for, here it is. Tonight is the $200 NL game, for those who're interested from 6-10pm Pacific time.

Kevin...

[Kevmath]

As a note, I heard that a frequent poster on 2+2 MAY be making an appearance on the Live at the Bike table. Stay tuned...

Kevin...

[CrazyN8]

I did this to get my 100th post. I'm such a whore! /images/graemlins/grin.gif

[CrazyN8]

I see boobies!

and Fat Boy

Can we get a better shot of seat 9? Wonder if these guys are reading this. Where is Denny?!?!?!?

HAHAHA..I know she won that pot w/ Qs but thanks for the close-up!

[Kevmath]

As well as frequent 2+2 poster Michael Davis in seat 4, looking mighty dapper.

Kevin...

[CrazyN8]

Not to offend anyone but we have 2 asian woman in here, no? We should see some fireworks!

[Kevmath]

I think the other players will add to the action as well, especially Fatboy in 3 and Michael in 4.

Kevin...

[PuckNPoker]

A suit, a floppy hat, and sunglasses. Mugging it up for the camera.

[jhall23]

I didn't catch who the commentator was. I heard him make a reference to 2+2 saying he often posted about fast playing made hands.

[CrazyN8]

Bart is one of them...Denny should be there in a bit, I hope. No offense to the other guy.

His point was basically don't get fancy at this limit. Just play your hand and you'll do alright.

[Kevmath]

Bart Hanson is the one who made that comment about fastplaying hands.

Kevin...

[CrazyN8]

The Bike doesn't win points for that...It should be "no flop, no drop"!

[Milky]

WOW. What a fold w/the set of 3s!

[CrazyN8]

WOWOWOWOWOWOWOW...what a pot! 33 vs AA and he hits the set...wow, that dude folded? What the F@#$? Wow. I would have been borrowing money!

[ZebraAss]

wow...33

[detroitplayer]

Oh no. That was a brutal lay down. Was he expecting to flop quads?

[jhall23]

Man that was nuts. What was he hoping to flop quads????

[CrazyN8]

HAHA...that's right. The camera man got the note. Pan from seat 8 to seat 9 when ever you get the chance.

[Kevmath]

This would've been the perfect time to see a rabbit cam for the turn and river to see how that would've come out. But they haven't used it at all this week.

Kevin...

[threadkiller]

is this on TV?

[3rdEye]

What's going on there in seat 9? I need a closer look.

[jhall23]

The worst thing is that he showed the laydown. Glad she showed the AA after that. Maybe there's a small chance he is doing it for meta-game considerations to make people think they can run over him, but somehow I doubt it.

[jhall23]

It's streamed.

http://www.thebike.com/live_at_the_bike/

[Kevmath]

Seems like that would be a too well advanced thing to do in a 200 nl game.

Kevin...

[threadkiller]

[ QUOTE ]
What's going on there in seat 9? I need a closer look.

[/ QUOTE ]Me too!

[CrazyN8]

I can't wait till Denny notices seat 9. Man, this is going to be fun!

[Kevmath]

I wish Bart went back to overusing "interesting" instead of saying "look at this" twice a hand.

[CrazyN8]

That's right...the conversation is VERY interesting b/t 8 and 9.

[threadkiller]

Seat 2... A3s??

[3rdEye]

I missed that hand; can someone fill me in?

[Shilly]

All I get is a "Live at the Bike" graphic. What gives?

[CrazyN8]

seat 6's OCD is kicking in....cleaning the camera cover there.

[CrazyN8]

[ QUOTE ]
I missed that hand; can someone fill me in?

[/ QUOTE ]
AA raised and A3 suited went all in...that's about it.

[Kevmath]

Put this (http://216.53.204.10/bike/bike_300.asx) into your windows media player.

Kevin...

[threadkiller]

UTG bet (didn't see what) with AA, UTG+1 went all in with A3o. Oops.

[jhall23]

I think he's asking abou the laydown hand. Seat 5 limped in with 33. Seat 7 raised with AA. Seat 9 called with 77 and seat 5 called the raise. Flop was like 893 two spades. Seat 5 lead out into the pot. AA moved over him all in and he laid down his set saying he thought she had 99 /images/graemlins/tongue.gif

[Shilly]

[ QUOTE ]
Put this (http://216.53.204.10/bike/bike_300.asx) into your windows media player.

Kevin...

[/ QUOTE ]

Arrrg, I'm still getting the stupid graphic. Any plug-ins needed?

[Kevmath]

It helps to use internet explorer also, so you can view it within the browser.

Kevin...

[CrazyN8]

Jim Miller is not a bad player, either. Very tight.

HAHA..Kev. you got props.

[detroitplayer]

Go get the newest version of win media player. Also, are you on dial up? That'd be a problem too.

[Kevmath]

It's not that I hate you Denny, it's just that I like you less than Bart and Shirley /images/graemlins/smile.gif Also, you have improved from where you started from with your talk of Pink's all the time.

Kevin...

[CrazyN8]

HAHAHAHAH..Denny want's a "Chip" count! You're the best Denny.

I was just saying, no flop, no chop. If the SB folds the BB should get it all.

[lawpoker]

Here's a joke, if needed:

Two lepers are playing poker. The first throws his hand in, and the second laughs his head off.

[random]

that dude sneezed all over the chips.

[3rdEye]

[ QUOTE ]
Here's a joke, if needed:

Two lepers are playing poker. The first throws his hand in, and the second laughs his head off.

[/ QUOTE ]

Haha. I'm going to steal that one.

[Kevmath]

Denny, it's Michael Davis, which is his posting name on 2+2

Kevin...

[detroitplayer]

haha, what the hell is on seat 4's head?

[Shanemex]

Looks like a floppy hat.

[a500lbgorilla]

It's the definition of style.

[Kevmath]

It's a Gilligan type of hat from UCLA.

Kevin...

[PuckNPoker]

Can someone card seat 4 /images/graemlins/wink.gif

[CrazyN8]

Bart..I'll stake you if you'll play in this game!

[detroitplayer]

Yeah, but I also think he has a bandanna (or two) on underneath it as well. He's wrapped up like Eminem.

[3rdEye]

The guy was coming over the top of Seat 1 with A3!

I would fold AK in that spot if Seat 2 were solid, but I can't think that anything but coming over the top is correct against a maniac.

[Kevmath]

He plays 20-40 and 30-60, so he's got the roll for the game. He also did play in the 200 game for a while the week before.

Kevin...

[MaxPower]

I did see Michael limp in with a pair of nines, so he did play one hand.

[spoohunter]

18% my ass...

[3rdEye]

I thought you flopped a set 1 in 7 times? Or is it 1-11?

[CrazyN8]

I'm just trying to make some easy money. He's a prop so I'm sure he has no interest. I really would like to see Denny mix it up with these guys. They have to mic. him though!

[spoohunter]

1:7.5 (or 1 in 8.5)

[detroitplayer]

haha, i just caught his full outfit. Along with the head gear he's wearing a suit and sunglasses. That's hilarious. I hope he's doing it as an "inside joke" for all of us.

[poison_lady]

A suit and a floppy hat? lol

[detroitplayer]

Holy [censored]. The ultra serious look he has going on is making this really funny to me. Maybe it's because I've been drinking.

[CrazyN8]

yeah, i laughed at that ,too. The rock solid player with that get-up on his head.

HAHA...Give Denny my CC#...I can't even imagine the charges that would show up.

Mmmm..that's right, stack those chips, oh yeah, stack those chips...oops...sorry.

Now I know why 4, now 6 is wearing the shades. Watch the board!

[shadow1]

What are the blinds here. can't tell with the lighting.

[PuckNPoker]

CC number for Bart 237928374823888383 if that is too many numbers just leave off the ones at the end.

[Kevmath]

Blinds are 3/5 it's a 200min/max NL game.

Kevin...

[CrazyN8]

I love how the table shifted toward seat 9....hmm, why did everyone move?

[jhall23]

Wow that's a short game.

[JMP300z]

First he miscounted the outs on that flush +gut and then he messed up the odds....that was awesome. 13 outs 3.5-1....uHHHHHhhh yah its 12 outs and its 2.83-1

[Shanemex]

Give them a break eh? They're doing it live and are bound to make some mistakes.

[Kevmath]

He made a mistake counting one out twice in the flush/gutshot situation, and he's doing it on the fly. No need to nitpick too hard on the guy.

Kevin...

[CrazyN8]

They need to find out if seat 9 has a webpage.

[JMP300z]

Ill nitpick if i want to.

Not only did he mistakenly count the outs but he also messsed up saying it was 3.5-1 when its 2.5-1

Im not trying to be an [censored] here.

Overall i like the commentary.

JP

[CrazyN8]

Is that not the rule? Show one, show all? I thought that was for cards and players.

[detroitplayer]

I think Denny is wrong. Show one show all means "show one person, show all the people" rather than "show one, show both".

You are allowed to only show 1 of your cards when the other person mucks.

[stabn]

Someone explain show one show all to him. It's show EVERYONE if you show ONE person, not show ALL cards if you show ONE card.

[jasonHoldEm]

Show one show all refers to showing another player at the table your hand (if you show one player you must show all the table). It's so everyone has equal information.

As long as everyone at the tables sees the cards you can choose to just show one.

EDIT: I finish fourth, lol.

[CrazyN8]

I remember at 'Poker at the Plaza', I think it was, that Ted Forrest showed D.N. one cards and they said that he could have called to see the other one but he didn't push cause they are friends.

[Shanemex]

Good call with the 85 there

[stabn]

[ QUOTE ]
I remember at 'Poker at the Plaza', I think it was, that Ted Forrest showed D.N. one cards and they said that he could have called to see the other one but he didn't push cause they are friends.

[/ QUOTE ]

It's players only, not cards.

[detroitplayer]

It's funny how Denny sees 5 people here telling him he's wrong, and he still says "sorry, 2+2, but you're wrong".

hahaha

[jasonHoldEm]

He said they made it their policy because it was slowing the game down. So he's right, but wrong.

[Kevmath]

Seems Denny's pet peeve is the pace of the game, noting his dislike of running the river multiple times.

Kevin...

[CrazyN8]

We love you Denny...but not like that.

Wow and he's pissed because the set of 7s won. AHHHAHAHHAHAHA

[Kevmath]

He's upset because the 1 seat played his flopped set that poorly, checking on the flop, turn AND river.

Kevin...

[threadkiller]

[ QUOTE ]
Wow and he's pissed because the set of 7s won. AHHHAHAHHAHAHA

[/ QUOTE ]I was playing a hand - did the 77 check all the way through?

Too bad that A came up for Michael.

[detroitplayer]

Denny! You can't imply tourny rules for cash games!!!!!

[CrazyN8]

I know...I just though it was funny because he was pissed he won.

HAHAHA,,,,new subject= seat 9.

[poison_lady]

Bart has such a sexy voice /images/graemlins/wink.gif

[CrazyN8]

He keeps talking about the baby raise w/ Aces as being bad but he keeps saying you raise for a reason. Would the reason here not be to build up the pot without running people out? I agree it's kind of a weak play. Just playing the devils advocate.

[CrazyN8]

Or......seat 7 is such a bad player that he can't get away from pocket 7s. I doubt it has anything to do with a read.

[Eder]

They gotta zoom closer in on seat 8 ...

[Russ McGinley]

Yeah that dude in seat 8 is a hottie!!!!11111

wtf

[Kevmath]

I think you mean seat 9, unless you like guys with gray hair.

Kevin...

[CrazyN8]

[ QUOTE ]
Yeah that dude in seat 8 is a hottie!!!!11111

wtf

[/ QUOTE ]

HHAHAHAHHAHA

[threadkiller]

Ok, I'm nitpicking, but you can't say that you're having a "first inaugural." When exactly is the second inaugural going to be?

[Eder]

Duh= you know which seat I talkin about haha

[CrazyN8]

"We are always working on new things for the show..."

- Like the killer graphics...the star-like glitter that flashes across the screen?

Actually, he called us 2 by 2

[Russ McGinley]

Hehe you never know these days.

Not that there's anything wrong with that.

[Russ McGinley]

Those graphics are straight outta 80's ESPN Logrolling.

[Kevmath]

You got some semi-props there Russ over the broadcast.

Kevin...

[Russ McGinley]

Yeah I heard my name. Twice in a week! I'm famous! Although I think Russ Fox was complaining that we share the same first name and it gets confusing. SORRY RUSS

[PuckNPoker]

Someone tell Dennys wife he is staring at seat 9 /images/graemlins/wink.gif

[CrazyN8]

[ QUOTE ]
Hehe you never know these days.

Not that there's anything wrong with that.

[/ QUOTE ]

HAHAHAHA....speaking of. Nice, Denny and Bart stripping down in the booth.

[3rdEye]

Seat 1 owns.

[PuckNPoker]

Now Denny is talking about staring at seat 9 and get naked in the booth, getting hot & heavy in there. Watch out Bart.

[Kevmath]

I'm sure the ladies would want to see Bart strip down, I think only Mrs. Williams would want to see ol' Denny strip down.

Kevin...

[Russ McGinley]

Wow even Denny is throwing down on Seat 1. That's sad.

[CrazyN8]

Put the camera on seat 9 and I wouldn't know if the Pope was in here.

[3rdEye]

[ QUOTE ]
Now Denny is talking about staring at seat 9 and get naked in the booth, getting hot & heavy in there. Watch out Bart.

[/ QUOTE ]

Yeah, and then he said he was "kinda in the mood."

[Kevmath]

Now we'll get some silent coverage, should be interesting to see how quiet it gets, it may make me want to hear Denny again.

Kevin...

[Russ McGinley]

You are correct sir.

[Eder]

Must be big joint they goin to smoke if gone 30 mins ahah

[CrazyN8]

nah....we get to hear the table now...this should be nice. We need another cusser like the other night. Wednesday?

[PuckNPoker]

Now a 30 minute break, im guessing Denny will be done with bart in 3 minutes. He is just going to ask that Bart calls himself in seat 9.

[Russ McGinley]

Ok this has gotten really boring really fast. The least they could do is, you know, zoom in on the hot guy in seat 8.

[jasonHoldEm]

lol, they did

[Corey]

If they're going with the table, they must individually mic the players, like ESPN does at the WSOP featured table. I don't want to hear mumbling

[3rdEye]

[ QUOTE ]
Put the camera on seat 9 and I wouldn't know if the Pope was in here.

[/ QUOTE ]

I was gonna crack a joke, but....nah.

[jasonHoldEm]

[ QUOTE ]
I don't want to hear mumbling

[/ QUOTE ]

yeah, thumbs down. on no commentary

[CrazyN8]

no one seems to raise on the draw.(i.e seat 9 with the KQ spades) Is that more of a limit play than a NL play? Seems like you would...i do.

[Russ McGinley]

This might work on Jerry Buss night or whatever when there is constant table talk and everyone is partying it up but not on a silent table.

[Kevmath]

If they're going to go to silent commentary, it seems to work best if you have a talkative table, or put the 9 seat in her own box so people can stare at her for awhile.

Kevin...

[Russ McGinley]

Bwahahaah

Boredom leads to 2+2.

[CrazyN8]

HAHAHHAHAHA. Seat 9 is going to LOVE the commentary!

[3rdEye]

Uh oh. Seat 9 says she'll be reading our comments. LOL.

[Russ McGinley]

Yeah if she thinks anyone is going to post about her play she can guess again. Can anyone on here remember any hand she played?












That's what I thought.

[Kevmath]

I guess we better start providing our own commentary now to liven things up.

Kevin...

[CrazyN8]

Hey, seat 9, my number is....

[ClaytonN]

Michael's still in seat 4, right?

[PuckNPoker]

Seat 5 saying "I dont want to gamble" lol.

[Russ McGinley]

I will give you some Bart/Denny commentary to tide you over.

Denny: I wouldn't even play that hand. I'd fold it.
Bart: That's interesting.
Denny: 2+2.
Bart: And he's gonna lay it down and seat 5 wins the pot.
Denny: We're Live at the Bike!
Bart: That's interesting.
Denny: I wouldn't even play that hand, I'd fold it.
Bart: 2+2.

Repeat when necessary.

[Kevmath]

He moved to seat 6 about 90 minutes ago, he's wearing a suit, sunglasses, a bandana thing, and a UCLA floppy hat.

Kevin...

[Illinois Jim]

gotta love seat nines set of pillows. /images/graemlins/grin.gif

[Illinois Jim]

Mike moved to seat six over an hour ago

[Kevmath]

What I'm wondering is why some online poker sites haven't staked some players, wearing their gear and get some exposure.

Kevin...

[PuckNPoker]

[ QUOTE ]
I will give you some Bart/Denny commentary to tide you over.

Denny: I wouldn't even play that hand. I'd fold it.
Bart: That's interesting.
Denny: 2+2.
Bart: And he's gonna lay it down and seat 5 wins the pot.
Denny: We're Live at the Bike!
Bart: That's interesting.
Denny: I wouldn't even play that hand, I'd fold it.
Bart: 2+2.

Repeat when necessary.

[/ QUOTE ]

Unrealistic, Denny would have talked about the food. /images/graemlins/wink.gif

[Eder]

seat 9 has all the exposure req'd

[Illinois Jim]

dont forget to mention seat 9 in your commentary.

[Russ McGinley]

Gah! You are right. Add this:

Denny: Look at that meal. I'm hungry. * - this can be used in correlation with food or seat 9.

[PuckNPoker]

lmao

[Kevmath]

And seat 9, Winning O' the Green, "reading" emails, how to get there, and how fat he is, etc.

Kevin...

BTW nice promoting of the 2+2 line of books, until they talk about Sklansky.

Kevin...

[CrazyN8]

Who just bashed DS? Seat 8? He's not on the "nice" list.

[Corey]

Bashing 2+2 books...umm, yeah. We'll leave it at that.

This come from the guy saying TJ's Championship book is amazing.

Micheal sitting there laughing on the inside

[Russ McGinley]

OOOOO listen to seat 8 rag on 2+2 and Sklansky.

[ZebraAss]

Hmmm...if i was him...i would fear for my life.

[Kevmath]

He's complaining more about the writing style and how it's difficult to read, not what David's saying. I believe that's Russ Fox in the 8 seat.

Kevin...

[CrazyN8]

HAHAHHAHA....that was pretty funny!

[Illinois Jim]

Mike is gone!!!!!!!!!!!!11

[Kevmath]

Michael drops his stack with AK against KK, and he's gone.

Kevin...

[Russ McGinley]

LOL they just came outta nowhere!

Ouch hand for Michael.

[ClaytonN]

Poor Michael, lol...

[Illinois Jim]

The Bike iS Fixed!!!!!

[CrazyN8]

That sucked. Plays well all night and then the retard in 7 gets a huge hand. Them's the breaks.

[Photoc]

Internet

http://www.thebike.com/live_at_the_bike/

[Chaostracize]

I could really go for a scalp massage right now.

[CrazyN8]

ummm, that dude was getting a unibrow massage! Is that standard treatment or do you pay extra for that?

[Illinois Jim]

Seat one is gonna try to change his luck and move to seat 6

[Russ McGinley]

He should read a poker book on the way.

[Kevmath]

I've got a feeling he'll have the same result as Michael did in seat 6.

Kevin...

[Illinois Jim]

Wonder what its costing seat seven for the massage

[Russ McGinley]

Whatever it is, Michael's paying for it.

[Kevmath]

$1/minute.

Kevin...

[CrazyN8]

[ QUOTE ]
Whatever it is, Michael's paying for it.

[/ QUOTE ]

Yeah, that's insult to injury.

[Russ McGinley]

That would be one hell of a needle if Michael was still there.

"Yeah, I think I'll start spending your $300 on a massage."

[CrazyN8]

DING DING DING...we have a winner - BART. Seat 7 is not the sharpest tool in the shed. Mike's call wasn't bad against that guy.

Wow, Denny, too much info. Playing poker in your whitey tighties.

[Russ McGinley]

The guy in seat 6 is awesome. He can't stand laying down such a monster as A6s.

[PuckNPoker]

[ QUOTE ]
The guy in seat 6 is awesome. He can't stand laying down such a monster as A6s.

[/ QUOTE ]

Yeah flinging cards at the dealer because the player is an idiot, what an ass.

[Kevmath]

That ends another exciting week of broadcasts, until Wednesday March 2 at 6pm PST.

Kevin...

[Rick Nebiolo]

[ QUOTE ]
I think Denny is wrong. Show one show all means "show one person, show all the people" rather than "show one, show both".

You are allowed to only show 1 of your cards when the other person mucks.

[/ QUOTE ]

Exactly, although the TDA (Tournament Directors Association) has a rule that does discourage (or provide an extreme penalty) for showing one or more cards during the hand (thus inducing or reducing action). Denny and I discussed this later, he said he would find a floorman that would agree with him. That's OK, I told him Bob Ciaffone would agree with me.

That said, Denny has only been working tournaments, and the Bike runs more tournaments than anyone to the best of my knowledge.

~ Rick

[Rick Nebiolo]

[ QUOTE ]
They need to find out if seat 9 has a webpage.

[/ QUOTE ]

No, but hands she has played have been posted on this board many times /images/graemlins/smile.gif

~ Rick

[Rick Nebiolo]

[ QUOTE ]
Uh oh. Seat 9 says she'll be reading our comments. LOL.

[/ QUOTE ]

She is, right this second. /images/graemlins/grin.gif /images/graemlins/smile.gif

~ Rick

[Russ Fox]

Playing in that game (and I was seat 8), I can tell you that 2+2 is correct on the rule: show one show all means show one player one (or both) cards, and you must show them to everyone. This issue came up in a live game at the Bike some time ago and I checked with a floorman. The rule hasn't changed. Sorry, Denny, you're wrong.

-- Russ Fox

[Rick Nebiolo]

[ QUOTE ]
Yeah if she thinks anyone is going to post about her play she can guess again. Can anyone on here remember any hand she played?

[/ QUOTE ]

Did anyone see where she laid down QQ to a checkraise by seat seven on a flop of 2-3-6 rainbow?

Action went Hero in seat 9 with queens raises UTG to $20, everybody folded to seat seven in the SB. He calls. BB (RGPer Russell Fox) also folds. Pot about $41 after drop.

Flop comes 2-3-6 rainbow. SB checks. Hero bets $40. SB checkraises to $200. Hero has about $700 left and SB has her well covered. Hero goes into the tank and mucks.

Later after Michael Davis busted out he told me his thoughts on the hand. I'll pass for now but wonder if anyone saw this and what did they think.

~ Rick

[Michael Davis]

First, I started with about $750 and managed to lose it all while on tha air. Ugh. I don't really play no limit, so I'm open to any and all criticism of my play.

My last hand, the AK vs KK, was obviously a big deal. I have to be very careful describing my opponents because they're all going to come here to read the analysis.

Anyways, on the hand seat 9 raised to $20, I raised to $80 from the SB with AKo, the BB came over the top and raised to $200. I had about $320 left so I came over the top for about another $200 and he had me covered.

I think this was a bad play on my part, but not by much. If I had not had a squeaky clean, tightwad image, I think my play would have been fine. But even though seat 7 was extremely loose-aggressive (huge preflop raise with A3, limpreraised me earlier before the game went to air with J-high, etc.), my image as a tight player was pretty well solidified by now. However, my image was also very weak. I had been checkraised twice in the last hour, both times had nothing, and folded. I had also folded every time I was reraised preflop throughout the entire game. But this was different; seat 7 was no idiot, and he must have known I had a hand here. I really think I should have folded, but I really need a NL person to help here, because I think his range of hands probably included AQs and pairs down as far as 8s here.

If I were going to continue in the hand, the play was to call and push any flop. That would have put him to a tough decision if he did have a medium pair and something like a Q flopped. It also would have taken advantage of my tight image. I really think this was the clear way to play the hand IF I was going to continue.

A few other minor hands:

QJ- The hand where I limped on the button with QJ, board was A244J. One guy bet $15 on the river and I raised to $45. I heard I got criticized for this play, but the announcers are wrong on this one, IMO. This was the best play I made. The only thing I did wrong was not raise to $75 or something, to really represent a hand that I might have checked down twice. I was near 100% certain we were chopping the pot; the obvious play is to call, but I felt there was a chance he would fold and I could take the whole thing. This was really damn close to a 100% freeroll situation; I should have raised more.

AKo- I played a hand early on where I raised to $15 UTG with AK. Both blinds and another guy called. Flop came QJ7 with two hearts, I have the K of hearts. Blinds check to me, I check, last guy bets $20 or $25, and I fold. What did you guys think of that?

82s- This hand almost got me into major trouble. I raised to $20 preflop and one limper called. Flop 773 with two spades. He checks, I bet $25 or something, he calls. Turn Q spades. He checks to me, I bet $50, he raises to $250. This guy was abusing me pretty bad and I really thought he was bluffing here. I was seriously sure of it (I know I was wrong). When I was thinking, I was NOT pulling a Hollywood, I was seriously considering moving all-in, and was working out the math on whether he could call with a single high spade. I decided that he very well might call with that, plus the fact that he might have me absolutely crushed, this was an easy fold. But I did consider pushing, and if I had a bigger stack, I honestly might have.

I also botched a 55 hand, I think, when it got raised $20 preflop. Two guys who were in the pot didn't really have stacks big enough to make it worth my while to flop a set. One guy did, but the chance of him paying off was almost none.

AA- I got screwed in the AA against KK hand. I should have made way more money. The flop came A23 and I bet half the pot. What should I do there? I really didn't know, I thought maybe check and try to represent something like JJ, maybe I at least get him to bet the turn, but it just seemed too fishy not to bet. Then again, I am a limit player, and certainly I might have checked that flop with JJ, so it may not be so fishy.

Anyways, sorry for the rambling, I really can't comment on most of the other players as they're all going to be reading this. I will say, however, that real pros don't discuss poker at the table.

Playing was a lot of fun, glad you guys were watching. I'll try to do it again at some point, probably Wednesdays because Saturdays are too good to give up all the time. Much thanks to the Bike and specifically Rick Nebiolo for allowing me to play.

-Michael

[Rick Nebiolo]

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My last hand, the AK vs KK, was obviously a big deal. I have to be very careful describing my opponents because they're all going to come here to read the analysis.

Anyways, on the hand seat 9 raised to $20, I raised to $80 from the SB with AKo, the BB came over the top and raised to $200. I had about $320 left so I came over the top for about another $200 and he had me covered.

I think this was a bad play on my part, but not by much. If I had not had a squeaky clean, tightwad image, I think my play would have been fine. But even though seat 7 was extremely loose-aggressive (huge preflop raise with A3, limpreraised me earlier before the game went to air with J-high, etc.), my image as a tight player was pretty well solidified by now. However, my image was also very weak. I had been checkraised twice in the last hour, both times had nothing, and folded. I had also folded every time I was reraised preflop throughout the entire game. But this was different; seat 7 was no idiot, and he must have known I had a hand here. I really think I should have folded, but I really need a NL person to help here, because I think his range of hands probably included AQs and pairs down as far as 8s here.

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If you think the session is going to last a lot longer with this guy you don't want to risk the substantial money you had in excess of $300 (the amount you can rebuy if you go busted) in a situation where, looking at the range of hands he can have, you are probably only a small favorite. That said, you knew you were going home soon and your play isn't as bad as some may think under those circumstances.

Hope you get a chance to look at seat 9's laydown of QQ against your nemesis in seat 7. I posted the hand a few minutes ago elsewhere in this thread.

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If I were going to continue in the hand, the play was to call and push any flop. That would have put him to a tough decision if he did have a medium pair and something like a Q flopped. It also would have taken advantage of my tight image. I really think this was the clear way to play the hand IF I was going to continue.

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Good thinking but some flops you can't push, e.g. T-9-8.

Will try to comment on your other hands later when I get some time.

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I will say, however, that real pros don't discuss poker at the table. - Michael

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Agree /images/graemlins/smile.gif

~ Rick

PS Seat nine says hi. Liked your suit but still wonders what that hat was all about. /images/graemlins/wink.gif

[Michael Davis]

Rick,

The QQ hand you are referring to I never would have folded, honestly. I am trying to think of what I would have folded, and I'm pretty sure I would call every hand down to 44 there. Hell, I probably would have called him with AK. I'm that bad.

Now, that being said, one of my biggest problems with no limit is playing against maniacs. This is probably by biggest strength in limit play, but only because I never, ever fold to them when I start with a playable hand. (Also, limit maniacs frequently call for seemingly maniacal play in response to them if you really want to maximize; lots of people get this wrong, IMO.) No limit is so different and this an adjustment I have trouble making. So while I am telling the truth that I would have called with 44, I would not ever stand up and say that it's right. Plus, I tend NOT to think about busting the guy later, which is of course very important in these restricted buy-in games, and is generally the first thing you bring up when I bring up these hands. This is something I need to fix; I'm always taking these hand by hand as if it were a limit game.

-Michael

[Rick Nebiolo]

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The Bike doesn't win points for that...It should be "no flop, no drop"!

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We are restricted by law (you can Google RGP and search the various archives of this site for my 6568 posts on the subject of rake/drop/collections in LA /images/graemlins/grin.gif.

Anyway, most LA clubs take jackpot drop BTF. We don't. Most LA clubs take a $1 drop on no flop. We take 50 cents (and I agree it is 50 cents too much, but it is the law that we take something).

Regards,

Rick

[private joker]

To continue from the SS thread (avoiding a hijack of my own strategy post...):

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Were you there? I eventually got broke off. I posted in the thread on the WPT forum.

-Michael

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You may have noticed me, but I tried not to bother you. I was chatting with Rick and he pointed you out to me. I was the tall skinny guy with the light blue shirt over the white T.

And to follow up what Rick's lady wondered: what's with the hat and suit? /images/graemlins/wink.gif

[Michael Davis]

I'm pissed off at you for not introducing yourself. I have absolutely no recollection of who you are.

The suit, well, there were undoubtedly lots of ladies watching. And my boyz back home would be upset if I didn't try and look a little gangsta'.

-Michael

[private joker]

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I'm pissed off at you for not introducing yourself. I have absolutely no recollection of who you are.



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My bad. I'm extremely camera shy and didn't want to cross the bars to get near enough to the table, especially during play of a hand (regardless of whether you were in it). I guess I could have shouted "Hey Michael! Private Joker from TWO PLUS TWO!!!" but generally that is frowned upon.

Next time. Next time...

[Michael Davis]

It doesn't matter. The table (me excluded) was talking about 2+2 and poker books and how good they all were the whole time.

-Michael

[Rick Nebiolo]

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It's a Gilligan type of hat from UCLA. - Kevin...

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I saw it during a post "Live at Bike" bust-out interview. Either that was exactly my thought or I told Michael exactly that (sometimes I forgot what I have thought versus what I have said). Later we got into a minor discusion of styles worn in our youth that I (and he will) regret now that I have (and he will) become middle aged.

In my case I'm 51 years old but never wore the big, goofy dress shirt collars in the seventies (maybe because I never wore dress shirts back then). Now I realize my biggest fashion mistake of my youth was to wear tight cut off jeans for shorts with my parts almost hanging out.

I prefer the somewhat baggier styles (not the gang banger baggy) of today and now realize cut-off jeans suck as shorts.

~ Rick

[Rick Nebiolo]

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It doesn't matter. The table (me excluded) was talking about 2+2 and poker books and how good they all were the whole time. - -Michael

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Hero says she should be excluded too /images/graemlins/mad.gif /images/graemlins/frown.gif /images/graemlins/smile.gif

[Michael Davis]

Retraction. Mea culpa.

Tell hero thanks for telling me to make a move. /images/graemlins/crazy.gif

-Michael

[Michael Davis]

This was one of the worst folds I've ever seen.

-Michael

[Russ McGinley]

You could have shouted "SUP BRO?"

[detroitplayer]

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I think Denny is wrong. Show one show all means "show one person, show all the people" rather than "show one, show both".

You are allowed to only show 1 of your cards when the other person mucks.

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Exactly, although the TDA (Tournament Directors Association) has a rule that does discourage (or provide an extreme penalty) for showing one or more cards during the hand (thus inducing or reducing action).
~ Rick

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Thing is, it wasn't "during" the hand. Hand was over, hero shows one card, and that was that. I am under the impression that there are no rules, (even local "bike rules") that would prevent someone from showing 1 card after the hand was over.

[DrNo888]

Damn I missed it. Anyone got any shots of seat 9?

[detroitplayer]

Asian woman who had a nice rack. She was wearing a black tank top. Use your imagination. /images/graemlins/grin.gif

[poison_lady]

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In my case I'm 51 years old but never wore the big, goofy dress shirt collars in the seventies (maybe because I never wore dress shirts back then). Now I realize my biggest fashion mistake of my youth was to wear tight cut off jeans for shorts with my parts almost hanging out.

I prefer the somewhat baggier styles (not the gang banger baggy) of today and now realize cut-off jeans suck as shorts.


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Rick, you sure took me back in time. /images/graemlins/smile.gif At the time I thought the guys looked so hot wearing them /images/graemlins/grin.gif

[Rick Nebiolo]

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In my case I'm 51 years old but never wore the big, goofy dress shirt collars in the seventies (maybe because I never wore dress shirts back then). Now I realize my biggest fashion mistake of my youth was to wear tight cut off jeans for shorts with my parts almost hanging out.

I prefer the somewhat baggier styles (not the gang banger baggy) of today and now realize cut-off jeans suck as shorts.


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Rick, you sure took me back in time. /images/graemlins/smile.gif At the time I thought the guys looked so hot wearing them /images/graemlins/grin.gif

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Believe me, my legs were so skinny back then I looked more like a dork with a body like a stork. /images/graemlins/grin.gif

~ Rick

[MaxPower]

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I think Denny is wrong. Show one show all means "show one person, show all the people" rather than "show one, show both".

You are allowed to only show 1 of your cards when the other person mucks.

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Exactly, although the TDA (Tournament Directors Association) has a rule that does discourage (or provide an extreme penalty) for showing one or more cards during the hand (thus inducing or reducing action). Denny and I discussed this later, he said he would find a floorman that would agree with him. That's OK, I told him Bob Ciaffone would agree with me.

That said, Denny has only been working tournaments, and the Bike runs more tournaments than anyone to the best of my knowledge.

~ Rick

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Rick,

Isn't that the "Ray Zee Rule"? I thought it was put into place because Ray showed one of his cards in a tournament so his opponent would fold and he could lock up the best all-around player award.

[Rick Nebiolo]

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I think Denny is wrong. Show one show all means "show one person, show all the people" rather than "show one, show both".

You are allowed to only show 1 of your cards when the other person mucks.

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Exactly, although the TDA (Tournament Directors Association) has a rule that does discourage (or provide an extreme penalty) for showing one or more cards during the hand (thus inducing or reducing action). Denny and I discussed this later, he said he would find a floorman that would agree with him. That's OK, I told him Bob Ciaffone would agree with me.

That said, Denny has only been working tournaments, and the Bike runs more tournaments than anyone to the best of my knowledge.

~ Rick

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Rick,

Isn't that the "Ray Zee Rule"? I thought it was put into place because Ray showed one of his cards in a tournament so his opponent would fold and he could lock up the best all-around player award.

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I vaguely remember the Ray Zee story and I think the current tournament rule probably evolved in part from that incident.

Here (http://www.thepokerforum.com/tdarules.htm) is a link to the TDA rules BTW. I'm not sure that it is the latest as I don't work tournaments.

~ Rick

[Randy_Refeld]

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That said, Denny has only been working tournaments, and the Bike runs more tournaments than anyone to the best of my knowledge.

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I will also say that I beleive the Bike has the best run touranments in the country. Caveat: I left LA in 2002, things may have changed since then, but I have no reason to believe they would have.

Randy Refeld

[CrazyN8]

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First, I started with about $750 and managed to lose it all while on tha air. Ugh. I don't really play no limit, so I'm open to any and all criticism of my play.

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I thought you played well. I'm not a big NL player either and I think you just got "one of those hands".

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My last hand, the AK vs KK, was obviously a big deal. I have to be very careful describing my opponents because they're all going to come here to read the analysis....
seat 7 was no idiot...and he must have known I had a hand here....but I really need a NL person to help here.

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I'll say it then, "He was an idiot".

He went all in with A3 against QQ and I really believe he thought he had the best hand. It's hard for people like that to believe someone has AA,KK,QQ,etc. They think the best it could be is AK. I would have called there. That has nothing on laying down a set of 3s though. Man, I would have had my money, my car, my first born (would have been an I.O.U.), and your chips in that pot.

You must have missed him calling off $200+ more preflop when he got backdoor reraised by aces. He tried to steal a pot and got caught in a major way but he still called.

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QJ- The hand where I limped on the button with QJ, board was A244J. One guy bet $15 on the river and I raised to $45.

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I liked that.

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AKo- I played a hand early on where I raised to $15 UTG with AK. Both blinds and another guy called. Flop came QJ7 with two hearts, I have the K of hearts. Blinds check to me, I check, last guy bets $20 or $25, and I fold. What did you guys think of that?

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I believe the guy had flopped 2 pr, Qs and Js. That would have made for a nice pot but i think it was the right play (I don't remember what odds you were getting though). I think they gave you credit for a good laydown here, too. Bart did keep saying that people fall in love with AK (play it too far into the hand).

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82s- This hand almost got me into major trouble\.

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I'm not remembering this one.


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AA- I got screwed in the AA against KK hand. I should have made way more money. The flop came A23 and I bet half the pot. What should I do there?

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I agree. I think checking here would have looked a little fishy. I probably would have done it still, though. I guess you know he had Ks. It hurt us all to see that ace hit. We figured that hand would get you some action and then that A hit.

[CrazyN8]

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Believe me, my legs were so skinny back then I looked more like a dork with a body like a stork. /images/graemlins/grin.gif

~ Rick

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HAHA...I feel your pain!

[Rick Nebiolo]

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First, I started with about $750 and managed to lose it all while on tha air. Ugh. I don't really play no limit, so I'm open to any and all criticism of my play.

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I thought you played well. I'm not a big NL player either and I think you just got "one of those hands".

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My last hand, the AK vs KK, was obviously a big deal. I have to be very careful describing my opponents because they're all going to come here to read the analysis....
seat 7 was no idiot...and he must have known I had a hand here....but I really need a NL person to help here.

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I'll say it then, "He was an idiot".

He went all in with A3 against QQ and I really believe he thought he had the best hand. It's hard for people like that to believe someone has AA,KK,QQ,etc. They think the best it could be is AK. I would have called there. That has nothing on laying down a set of 3s though. Man, I would have had my money, my car, my first born (would have been an I.O.U.), and your chips in that pot.

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Seat nine from Saturday (the lady who laid down QQ to seat sevens A3 after a big checkraise with a board of 2-3-6 rainbow) will have a chance to read this thread tonight. Without poisoning you with my opinion, what are your thoughts on the laydown (other than that you would have called as mentioned above)? Also note that my opinion may not be that valid, I only have played with seat seven once or twice for a few minutes, so I really don't have much of a line on his play except that he was loose, tricky, and aggressive.

BTW, don't worry about offending seat nine, some of the longest threads in the real old days of 2+2 involve hands she played.

~ Rick

[CrazyN8]

I really do look forward to hearing what she has to say. She played very well and I'm interested to see what she had him on. Small set? No doubt it would have been a tough call. He did put her all in. Having said that...

I have never played with that guy and I could see the hole cards, so take that into account. However, he did show that he was capable of putting a lot of money in the pot with crap or long shot draws. He played like a gambler. I hate playing against gamblers! Loose and agressive play drives me nuts. I would have called him, though but I'm no pro. In that spot I would have either been kicking myself because he slow played AA/KK and trapped me or figured him for top card (6?) ace kicker. I've seen guys like that overplay topcard A kicker soo many times it's not even funny. When they do get a big hand it hurts but they pay off a lot, too. It's not like she folded a set of 3s. /images/graemlins/shocked.gif Better safe than broke, I guess.

Just my amatuer opinion.


Seat 9 - sorry for all the harassment. /images/graemlins/grin.gif Your looks (from what we could see - I mean because of the quality of the picture) did make the evening more entertaining.

[Rick Nebiolo]

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I really do look forward to hearing what she has to say. She played very well and I'm interested to see what she had him on. Small set? No doubt it would have been a tough call. He did put her all in. Having said that...

I have never played with that guy and I could see the hole cards, so take that into account. However, he did show that he was capable of putting a lot of money in the pot with crap or long shot draws. He played like a gambler. I hate playing against gamblers! Loose and agressive play drives me nuts. I would have called him, though but I'm no pro. In that spot I would have either been kicking myself because he slow played AA/KK and trapped me or figured him for top card (6?) ace kicker. I've seen guys like that overplay topcard A kicker soo many times it's not even funny. When they do get a big hand it hurts but they pay off a lot, too. It's not like she folded a set of 3s. /images/graemlins/shocked.gif Better safe than broke, I guess.

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One concept I've drilled into her for the restricted buy in games has to do with the rebuy rules. When your stack is well in excess of the maximum re-buy (in the Bike's $200 game, you can bring your stack up to a max of $300 only after going under $100), you want to pass on risking your chips as a small favorite if you figure to be able to use them as a big favorite later against unskilled players with equally large stacks. So I'd pass as a small favorite but my guesstimate is she was about a 2 to 1 here (assuming I don't know seat sevens hand).

That said, it was her first time on the web-cast and she knew friends and 2+2 were watching (of course she has friends who are also on 2+2 /images/graemlins/smile.gif). My guess is she didn't want to be seen losing a big pot near the end of the web-cast when she played well (according to what I've been told) in the battle of the trenches earlier.

Actually, the hand she misplayed most was when I started the game off-air around 3:30 pm (early for a Live at Bike game). I'll let Michael Davis elaborate, because he was in the hand and he correctly called it.

Besides, we got to go /images/graemlins/grin.gif

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Seat 9 - sorry for all the harassment. /images/graemlins/grin.gif Your looks (from what we could see - I mean because of the quality of the picture) did make the evening more entertaining.

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Glad you enjoyed it as Hero had fun too. We take no offense regarding the "harrassment" as it was all good natured and in good taste. She hopes to be back on Saturday time permitting, but we are not sure "The Cleavage Cam" will be in full operation /images/graemlins/smirk.gif /images/graemlins/smile.gif

Regards,

Rick and Hero