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BusterStacks
02-26-2005, 03:37 PM
Alright, this has been bothering me since last night. Opponent is a TAG, and I simply refused to put him on aces. I don't know why. Thoughts?

Party Poker 3/6 Hold'em (10 handed) converter (http://www.selachian.com/tools/bisonconverter/hhconverter.cgi)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with K/images/graemlins/heart.gif, K/images/graemlins/diamond.gif.
<font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, <font color="#666666">6 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Button 3-bets</font>, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero caps</font>, Button calls.

Flop: (9.33 SB) 4/images/graemlins/club.gif, 2/images/graemlins/spade.gif, 3/images/graemlins/diamond.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Button raises</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero 3-bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Button caps</font>, Hero calls.

Turn: (8.66 BB) 3/images/graemlins/club.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Button raises</font>, Hero calls.

River: (12.66 BB) Q/images/graemlins/diamond.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">Button bets</font>, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 14.66 BB
27offsooot
02-26-2005, 03:42 PM
I play it the same.
Schizo
02-26-2005, 03:45 PM
I think this where reads beyond PT stats have to come into play. That being said, I *might* of reraised and if the turn got capped I would of check called the river. *says very unconfidently*

Edit: but your play seems fine.
jordanx
02-26-2005, 05:51 PM
You played fine.
brettbrettr
02-26-2005, 05:55 PM
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I play it the same.

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KnickNut3
02-26-2005, 06:04 PM
I'd play it like you did, too.

Fortunately, you get KK 1 in 221 times, and when you do one of the other 9 players has AA 1 in 23.1 times. So, once every 5112 hands you have to bite the bullet. Lots of people will play QQ or even AK just as strongly on a small flop, thinking they have you dominated or are at least winning, so I wouldn't back off too often.
einbert
02-26-2005, 06:08 PM
I'm playing this the same. I don't want to give a free card on the turn but I'm CERTAINLY not 3-betting the turn.
partygirluk
02-26-2005, 06:19 PM
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I play it the same.

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emil3000
02-26-2005, 06:20 PM
You should lose less than this guy:

Party Poker 10/20 Hold'em (9 handed) converter (http://www.selachian.com/tools/bisonconverter/hhconverter.cgi)

Preflop: Hero is SB with A/images/graemlins/spade.gif, A/images/graemlins/club.gif.
<font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">MP1 raises</font>, <font color="#666666">4 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero 3-bets</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">MP1 caps</font>, Hero calls.

Flop: (9 SB) 7/images/graemlins/heart.gif, 5/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, 7/images/graemlins/spade.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">MP1 raises</font>, Hero calls.

Turn: (6.50 BB) 3/images/graemlins/diamond.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">MP1 raises</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero 3-bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">MP1 caps</font>, Hero calls.

River: (14.50 BB) 9/images/graemlins/club.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">MP1 raises</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero 3-bets</font>, MP1 calls.

Final Pot: 20.50 BB

Results in white below: <font color="#FFFFFF">
Hero has As Ac (two pair, aces and sevens).
MP1 has Kh Kd (two pair, kings and sevens).
Outcome: Hero wins 20.50 BB. </font>