TT vs. 2+2er

[Schneids]

2+2er in this hand usually plays me very aggressively and never likes to give me credit for a hand. Am I a puss? Just right? Find a fold somewhere?

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Preflop: Schneids is BB with T/images/graemlins/spade.gif, T/images/graemlins/diamond.gif.
<font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">CO (2+2er) raises</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, SB calls, <font color="#CC3333">Schneids 3-bets</font>, CO(2+2er) calls, SB calls.

Flop: (9 SB) 4/images/graemlins/club.gif, 2/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, 9/images/graemlins/heart.gif <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
SB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Schneids bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">2+2er raises</font>, SB folds, <font color="#CC3333">Schneids 3-bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">2+2er caps</font>, Schneids calls.

Turn: (8.50 BB) J/images/graemlins/club.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
Schneids checks, <font color="#CC3333">2+2er bets</font>, Schneids calls.

River: (10.50 BB) 5/images/graemlins/spade.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
Schneids checks, <font color="#CC3333">2+2er bets</font>, Schneids calls.

Final Pot: 12.50 BB

[RunDownHouse]

Just right. Some might say raise the turn, but you hate getting 3bet there, since you have to call but you're almost surely beat.

[Alobar]

would he cap with a higher PP PF?

[sthief09]

I would find it hard to believe that:
1. he wouldn't cap AA-JJ preflop
2. he would open with 22 from the CO, and maybe even 44


so being that the range of hands you're behind is precisely 99 and occasionally 44, I think you could throw an extra bet in somewhere. I don't particularly like betting the turn though, and check raising may make him toss 88 or 77. if he won't fold those hands I check raise, since it costs 3 if behind and makes 2 if ahead, compared to the crappy betting out, which will cost 2 if behind and make 0 if ahead (since he'll bet anyway).

how about a river check raise?

[Schneids]

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would he cap with a higher PP PF?

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With SB in, yes.

[Schneids]

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I would find it hard to believe that:
2. he would open with 22 from the CO, and maybe even 44

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Both hands are possible because I'd open with either (esp with a 2+2er in BB) and he has talked with me a lot about short handed play.

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how about a river check raise?

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If I think my hand is best that is definitely the best time to put in more action on the big bet streets, IMO.

[NLSoldier]

While we are on the topic of you being a puss against me...I'd like to hear some people's thoughts on how much of a pussy you were in this hand /images/graemlins/grin.gif

Schneids=MP

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Preflop: Hero is SB with Q/images/graemlins/spade.gif, Q/images/graemlins/diamond.gif.
UTG calls, MP calls, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, UTG calls, MP calls.

Flop: (7 SB) 3/images/graemlins/heart.gif, J/images/graemlins/club.gif, 9/images/graemlins/club.gif <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, UTG folds, MP calls.

Turn: (4.50 BB) T/images/graemlins/diamond.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">MP raises</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero 3-bets</font>, MP calls.

River: (10.50 BB) 4/images/graemlins/diamond.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, MP calls.

Final Pot: 12.50 BB

Results in white below: <font color="#FFFFFF">
MP has 3c 3s (three of a kind, threes).
Hero has Qs Qd (one pair, queens).
Outcome: MP wins 12.50 BB. </font>

As far as the TT hand, with me having position and the SB folding to my raise, don't you think I would rate till the turn to pop you again with a set? But I guess if you are going to rule out a bigger pair and rule out a set then you would be reducing my range of hands to 1 hand, or maybe 2. And that might be a mistake...I still think I like a river CR though, because there you can def. fold to a 3 bet.

BTW, can you (or anyone else) really blame me for "never giving you credit for a hand?" /images/graemlins/tongue.gif

[Schneids]

I already explained to you in that 33 hand how there's no way I can cap it against you if you are actually considering at ALL what hands I am limping with after one limper... You already know I raise JT, KQ, QT, QJ after a limper. So I pop you on the turn, that like, if you're thinking at all, HAS to mean set... So you reraise me... I'm thinking 'eh, he's not afraid, I hope I'm winning.' I really do not like your QQ reraise sir.


Likewise, when I hold TT against you I have basically spelled out I hold an overpair against you by the time I 3-bet the flop. And you still give action, so I don't really know how much more action I can afford to give when my hand is more defined than yours.

[Schneids]

I beat NLSoldier's Ad9d. Thank you come again.

[NLSoldier]

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I beat NLS0ldier's Ad9d. Thank y0u c0me again.

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L0L, y0ur welc0me. Any time.