"Official" Live at the Bike thread (2/25 version)

[Kevmath]

What you can expect tonight:

5/10 NL $500 min
Fossilman plays!
Fossilman provides commentary!
Rick Nebiolo's non-lucid thoughts!
Brad (er, Bart) Hanson in the house!
And more assorted highjinks, head to www.thebike.com (http://www.thebike.com) and click on "Live at the Bike" live from 6-10pm Pacific time(Windows Media player preferred)

Kevin...

[afk]

Is anybody else getting really bad sound right off the bat? It's really quiet, I can't hear it.

[Kevmath]

I don't think they're "officially" on yet. You should hear them shortly.

Kevin...

[afk]

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I don't think they're "officially" on yet. You should hear them shortly.

Kevin...

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Gotcha, thanks. Wasn't really paying attention when it started up.

[pindawg]

Nice programming menu

[Kevmath]

The 5 seat is the same guy riverboatking tangled with last week in a ~10k pot with 3 river cards run. Now if they can get their time search straightened out, we'll be in business.

Kevin...

[Grindin']

I keep getting some kind of black technical screen with the date and such. Some techie isn't doing his job tonight... /images/graemlins/mad.gif

[Corey]

Perhaps they're trying to set up the archiving feature. The tech screen is titled with record.

[Kevmath]

They should be worrying about getting the ending time right instead of the starting time.

Kevin...

[ethan]

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I don't think they're "officially" on yet. You should hear them shortly.

Kevin...

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audio's working fine. but the video's messed up. It keeps cutting between the table and what looks like a vcr's menu - white text on a black background with options regarding recording/playback.

[TStokes]

this has been horrible so far

[Corey]

He keeps changing the time and hitting view. It didn't work the first five times, it's not going to work this time

As I'm typing the same thing again.

[Grindin']

This is getting irritating! Now it's just fast forwarding and kept showing Raymer taking down the pot with a $25 bet.

[Chaostracize]

The question of the night is... 16:48 or 17:55?


Stay tuned.

[Illinois Jim]

Seems like when they get the sound working the video goes poof and visa versa.

[pindawg]

Haha just went offline.

[Kevmath]

It's not like this is their first night doing this, you'd think they'd know better and be prepared.

Kevin...

[Shanemex]

The servers are probably overloaded since so many people are tuning in to see Greg.

[jasonHoldEm]

My guess was that was the live feed, they were setting up the delay, seems to be working now

[pindawg]

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The servers are probably overloaded since so many people are tuning in to see Greg.

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Feed is streaming fine. It's the idiot trying to fix the delay.

[Illinois Jim]

Noticed that they're not showing the hole cards.. could be that's the issue. I still say that the guy doing the commentary sounds like Howard Lederer..

ok now the card camera is working

[Kevmath]

It looks like they'll be going 10 minutes behind for the moment.

Kevin...

[Grindin']

The broadcast is off-line. Nothing is working at the moment.

[pindawg]

Lederer? Which one, the guy who sounds 21 or the other guy who may or may not smoke 2 packs of cigarettes a day?

[Illinois Jim]

that guys in seat 5 and 9 look familar

[Kevmath]

The 9 seat is one of the Bike's NL props. The 5 seat was in the big hand of last Friday's broadcast with riverboatking.

Kevin...

[Corey]

9 was in last weeks game and came in at the end of Wednesday's 200NL catastrophe

[oreogod]

Anyone know if there is a way to record these things?

[Illinois Jim]

fossilman live straddle lol

[Illinois Jim]

they need to keep the table mike open. /images/graemlins/cool.gif

[Shanemex]

Raymer bought in for $40k? LOL

[Illinois Jim]

I think that they were playing for awhile before going live.

[Kevmath]

Gee, Bart's not that hard a name to remember is it?

Kevin...

[RollaJ]

they just mentioned 2+2 /images/graemlins/tongue.gif

[Kevmath]

I think he mentioned he had brought 80K with him, I assume to the Bike.

Kevin...

[cwsiggy]

What is with the junk hands people limp in utg+1, utg+2??

[Illinois Jim]

reminds of online play.. with the junk their coming in with.

[MaxPower]

Greg is a raconteur

[felson]

Is Seat 6 Rick Nebiolo?

[Kevmath]

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[Grindin']

I love the guy to Greg's left who just pushed all-in with second pair. Gutsy move especially against Fossilman, got to give the man some respect. /images/graemlins/wink.gif

[Michael Davis]

No it's him.

[Shanemex]

What's this running three times thing they just did?

[Illinois Jim]

wow... ran the cards 3 times for a huge pot.

[Grindin']

Wowzers!! Raymer just took a monster pot hitting his flush two out of three times. /images/graemlins/grin.gif

[RollaJ]

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What's this running three times thing they just did?

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Its a live NL thing /images/graemlins/laugh.gif

[DrNo888]

Seat 7 was there last week too. Same seat.

[pindawg]

I was amazed the set offered to run it 3 times.

[riffraff]

wow is right.

[RollaJ]

LOL..... its not leaderer....
"AA vs. 8-9s is roughly a 90-91% favorite"

[Kevmath]

I'm sure he was thinking he'd win that at least 2 of 3 times.

Kevin...

[Illinois Jim]

another live straddle

[poker327]

Does AC allow that? I don't think so. I know in the big game in Bellagio I read they allow that also.

[RollaJ]

I think the Bike is rigged, lot of action flops

[Kevmath]

Denny should just STFU regarding running it 3 times takes too much time. I'm sure those "wasted" 45-60 seconds are really a hassle.

Kevin...

[RollaJ]

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another live straddle

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Live straddles in NL are not as bad a play as in limit, not that surprising to see them

[pindawg]

Greg's really loosened the game up with the straddles and loose agressive play

[Kevmath]

Bart shouldn't try to run the odds in his head, it was 67/33%

Kevin...

[Illinois Jim]

wow raymer catches a 4 outter

[pindawg]

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wow raymer catches a 4 outter

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He had about 10 outs

[Kevmath]

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[Illinois Jim]

thought he caught a gutshot straight wouldn't that be 4 outs?

[Shanemex]

65 was a 10 outer. Three sixes, three fives, and four cards to make the straight.

[Michael Davis]

You were right the first time. He had 10 outs to beat 33 in that hand. However, hitting six of them probably would have resulted in him folding anyways.

-Michael

[pindawg]

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The 4 outer was 6-5 against 3-3.
The 10 outer was AA v 9-8d with Ad 10d 6d.

Kevin...

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How does any 6,5 or 7 equal 4 outs?

[Illinois Jim]

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The 4 outer was 6-5 against 3-3.
The 10 outer was AA v 9-8d with Ad 10d 6d.

Kevin...

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wasnt talking about ghe AA hand was referring to the gutshot straight that he hit.

How does any 6,5 or 7 equal 4 outs?

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[Kevmath]

forgot about those outs, I stink.

Kevin...

[Grindin']

Nice! Raymer just took back all the money that asian took from him a hand ago. You go Fossilman! /images/graemlins/grin.gif

[cwsiggy]

Warren Karp sat down. Why do I know that name??

[Kevmath]

He's a tournament director, he did the supersatellites at last year's WSOP.

Kevin...

[Kevmath]

The latest phrase Bart should retire is "look at this" since he uses that one every other hand it seems. During the most recent hand, he used it 4 times. It's not radio Bart, we're all looking at it!

Kevin...

[Russ McGinley]

Wow look at Greg putting a PP-like beat on seat 5 with T7o.

[theredwave]

Raymer's 10 7 takes down AA from Mike in seat 5.

[cwsiggy]

doh - Raymer called and hit a 7 on turn with 10-7 to bust 5's AA!!! nice!!!! 5 seems like a punk

[Punker]

Is reraising with QQ there such a fantastic play to fold hands like AJ? AJ is not very likely to make a hand that leads to QQ getting broke, and QQ has a reasonable chance to make a hand that breaks AJ (eg J62 flop)

[Illinois Jim]

they want to know where the term limping in came from

[Kevmath]

Bart, what station did you do radio for in Syracuse?

Kevin...

[Sponger15SB]

why the [censored] would you agree to run that twice? WTF

[TimTimSalabim]

I've seen a lot of people, when they just call, their wrists go limp as they toss their chips casually up into the air. Whereas raising is more deliberate and stiff. Maybe that has something to do with it.

[Kevmath]

Mo played that guy like a fool to have him agree to run it twice.

Kevin...

[SpeakEasy]

Have Greg explain his thought process in the hand where he had T7 vs. AA where he hit the 7 on the turn for 2 pair.

[Rick Nebiolo]

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Is Seat 6 Rick Nebiolo?

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Yes, just got home. Left the game at 7:15 pm and gave up my seat to Warren Karp.

~ Rick

[afk]

Wow, Greg is really clear and easy to listen to. Nice job.

[Rick Nebiolo]

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I think that they were playing for awhile before going live.

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Yes. We started the game at 4:15 pm or so with Greg. I got involved in some big pots (I won but in which I probably played poorly) before the web cast started. I started with $1000 and was up about $700 so my stack was hovering around $1700 during most of time you saw me seated.

~ Rick

[Rick Nebiolo]

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wow... ran the cards 3 times for a huge pot.

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Was a set of aces versus a flush draw (with an inside straight too I think). Flush draw got there the first tow times!.

~ Rick

[jasonHoldEm]

Greg is a great commentator, if/when he quits playing regularly someone like ESPN should pick him up.

[Grindin']

Indeed. Mike Sexton and VVP should be taking notes. Raymer is insightful, witty, and entertaining. /images/graemlins/wink.gif

[Kevmath]

Greg's doing a fantastic job, and it helps that Bart is in there with him to have someone to play off of. Denny would drag things down with all sorts of dull questions.

Kevin...

[SpeakEasy]

Watching a live high-stakes cash game while listeing to Raymer chat about poker strategy? Are you kidding me?! This is pure gold! 2+2 poker player heaven.

Greg, you need to get into broadcasting. Straightforward, no nonsense poker strategy. Very easy to listen to.

[Rick Nebiolo]

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Greg is a great commentator, if/when he quits playing regularly someone like ESPN should pick him up.

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Greg's description of when to take a chance on a high risk slowplay is fantastic.

Later (if I'm not too tipsy) I'll describe the great laydown he made against me before we went live.

~ Rick

[KenProspero]

dumb question -- where are you all 'watching' this

[Kevmath]

www.thebike.com (http://www.thebike.com), click on live at the bike.

Kevin...

[KenProspero]

Thx Kev

I owe you a trivia question.

[Rick Nebiolo]

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The 9 seat is one of the Bike's NL props. The 5 seat was in the big hand of last Friday's broadcast with riverboatking. - Kevin...

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Early in the web cast seat 9 was Mo Fathipour. Mo is the NL Host for the Bike's $500 minimum game. Before Mo we had no $500 game. Now we are often two deep and the game is good (read riverboatking's) posts.

~ Rick

PS During a future web cast I want a steak like the one Mo had tonight!

[Photoc]

Maybe someone can answer this question for me. Why would you run the river multiple times and then split a pot? Is this just a Cali thing or elsewhere?
I've never seen this happen before here in Vegas and struck me as interesting.

[Rick Nebiolo]

Missed some of the hand where seat seven had TT and seat nine had AQ with a flop of Ts Ad 7H. The set filled. Greg had some great commentary regarding the post flop betting.

~ Rick

[Rick Nebiolo]

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Maybe someone can answer this question for me. Why would you run the river multiple times and then split a pot? Is this just a Cali thing or elsewhere?
I've never seen this happen before here in Vegas and struck me as interesting.

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Somewhere on 2+2 about a week ago I posted the procedure for dealing twice (or trice). If I get a chance I'll describe my understanding of the reasons why someone would want to do it.

~ Rick

[B1GF1SHY]

Raymer talks too much about his owns hands hes played. There was a hand where a person flopped two pair and the other flopped the nut flush draw. The on-screen cards showed the flush draw push on the flop and the two pair fold, all the while Raymer was talking about some silly KK hand when all I wanted to hear was what they thought about what was going on.

[Rick Nebiolo]

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Raymer talks too much about his owns hands hes played. There was a hand where a person flopped two pair and the other flopped the nut flush draw. The on-screen cards showed the flush draw push on the flop and the two pair fold, all the while Raymer was talking about some silly KK hand when all I wanted to hear was what they thought about what was going on.

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He's done both. He had great analyis of a hand when something exciting or interesting was happening. He started a few stories during dull spots that sometimes carried over to a decent hand. IMO both Greg and Bart have a future in broadcasting poker.

~ Rick

[cwsiggy]

Is it just me or is seat 5 not good??

[duma]

ya Greg is a great commentator. If you get a chance to watch his commentary of the WSOP final table, you should definately do it. They recently re-aired it on ESPN on tuesday.

[Russ McGinley]

His VP$IP is about 95. He's also doing a lot of bluffing.

[mmbt0ne]

HAHAHAHAHA. Fossilman said Fu¢k.

[Rick Nebiolo]

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His VP$IP is about 95. He's also doing a lot of bluffing.

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It was great having him on my right although I never could get involved with him. But going home was even more plus EV for me /images/graemlins/smile.gif

~ Rick

[Russ McGinley]

Yep, seats 6-9 have got to be waiting for big hands against this guy.

Also Fossilman saying "If you fu<font color="black"></font>ck with me, I'm gonna kill you" may qualify as the funniest line spoken by a commentator so far. /images/graemlins/smile.gif

[jasonHoldEm]

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If you get a chance to watch his commentary of the WSOP final table, you should definately do it. They recently re-aired it on ESPN on tuesday.

[/ QUOTE ]

No cable. /images/graemlins/frown.gif I gotta get one of my friends to tape it.

[duma]

[ QUOTE ]
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If you get a chance to watch his commentary of the WSOP final table, you should definately do it. They recently re-aired it on ESPN on tuesday.

[/ QUOTE ]

No cable. /images/graemlins/frown.gif I gotta get one of my friends to tape it.

[/ QUOTE ]

there might be a torrent out there. havent checked though.

[jasonHoldEm]

oh good idea. I'll see if I can find one.

[Rick Nebiolo]

Bart and Greg emphatically made the point that it is important that we find a way to accurately describe the stack, pot, and bet sizes.

I agree.

~ Rick

[Russ McGinley]

Really the best way is to either have the dealer announce the bet or have a TD-like person there to announce them.

[jasonHoldEm]

gesundheit

[Shibby]

It's disappointing that seat 5's camera is out.

That hand where he was frustrated, it seemed like he had Q7 and the jack pairing counterfeited his two pair?

[duma]

wow. how many times has seat 4 gotten pocket Aces? atleast 3 times tonight.