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blklight
02-25-2005, 03:45 PM
At this point some players have gone out and its 7 handed. You have a slightly better then average stack and the villain has about half as many as you.

Some info to keep in mind is that of the 7 remaining players, at least 3 are short stacked and/or total dead money. 1st(75%) and 2nd(25%) pay, not 3rd.

Hero - 1500
Villain - 850

Blinds are 30/60

- Villain calls the BB (60).
- SB folds.
- Hero checks in the BB (60) with 64o.

Two way action.
Flop comes KQ4 rainbow.
Hero checks and Villain checks.
Corner 4.

Hero checks.
Villain bets the minimum (60).
Hero check raises (180 total).
Villain re-raises (400 total).

Put him all-in?
Fold?

I don't see calling but curious as to what others think. Putting him all-in is about half your stack.

wh1t3bread
02-25-2005, 03:54 PM
I don't think I fold here. The only thing that beats you is villain holding pocket queens or kings. Wouldnt he have raised pre-flop with that?

I would push here with my set and put him all in.

blklight
02-25-2005, 03:55 PM
K4, Q4 and x4 where x is higher then a 6.

K4 and Q4 clearly im done.
74, 84, 94, etc. im hoping for split.

wh1t3bread
02-25-2005, 03:56 PM
Do you have a read on the player? What position is he in? Would he normally limp in with 74, 84, 94?

RobGW
02-25-2005, 04:01 PM
If he's stupid enough to limp with a 4 in his hand, he's stupid enough to pay you off with just a K in his hand. You can account for 3 of the 4 4's so the chance that he has the case 4 is low. I'd put him in everytime here. If he has me beat then so be it.

blklight
02-25-2005, 04:02 PM
He would limp with Q4, K4 suited, no question. I dont think he would limp with 74 or 94 but that wasny my main concern. I was just saying that in my mind, my hand was not as strong as it seemed upon first glance (in my mind).

(Played with villain many times)

sofere
02-25-2005, 04:04 PM
74, 84, 94 are all split pots (KQ444). The only hands you are worried about are A4, K4, Q4, QQ, KK. I'd say A4 is the only likely hand but not likely enough for me to fold...push away.

blklight
02-25-2005, 04:06 PM
74 and better are only split pots if the river is lower then his kicker..if the river is a 2 or 3 then I lose.

wh1t3bread
02-25-2005, 04:06 PM
I think you have to push here even if he limps in with K4, Q4 (frequently). Like Rob said, the chances he has the other 4 are slim. It's much more probable that he has K5> or Q5>. Maybe a small pocket pair. Either way you have him beat here and I push.

sofere
02-25-2005, 04:11 PM
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74 and better are only split pots if the river is lower then his kicker..if the river is a 2 or 3 then I lose.

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Huh...am I missing something???
Board...KQ44, You hold 64, he holds 94, your hands are both QK444. Both have trips with KQ kickers.

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He would limp with Q4, K4 suited, no question.

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Yes, but would he check through on the flop with 2 pair. Is he that tricky?

joeboe2001
02-25-2005, 04:35 PM
There are many ways he beats you, and he is just as likely to have a 4 as you are. You don't say so, but I am guessing he originally called in late position, maybe with A-4, K-4 or Q-4 suited. Only Kreskin would fold here. So why NOT call? This does not feel like a good time to get aggressive to me.

wh1t3bread
02-25-2005, 04:40 PM
Only 1st and 2nd pay in this format. I have about an average stack, I am aggressive and push here with my set and when I win I am now in a great spot to start stealing and get myself ITM.

Ryan527h
02-25-2005, 11:51 PM
Your pot odds are telling you yes, you have a strong hand.

valenzuela
02-26-2005, 12:16 AM
My chips are on the middle but I would fold if he had me covered. (min raise and a reraise, hello?)

KenProspero
02-26-2005, 12:21 AM
A set with a better kicker than you (or full house) is possible.

I wouldn't be surprized to see Villian with Kx or KQ, though.

Push