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goofball
02-25-2005, 12:14 PM
http://www.cnn.com/2005/LAW/02/24/abortion.investigation.ap/index.html

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TOPEKA, Kansas (AP) -- The Kansas attorney general is demanding abortion clinics turn over the complete medical records of nearly 90 women and girls, saying he needs the material for an investigation into underage sex and illegal late-term abortions.

Two clinics are fighting the request in Kansas Supreme Court, saying the state has no right to such personal information.

But Attorney General Phill Kline, an abortion opponent, insisted Thursday: "I have the duty to investigate and prosecute child rape and other crimes in order to protect Kansas children."

Kline is seeking the records of girls who had abortions and women who received late-term abortions. Sex involving someone under 16 is illegal in Kansas, and it is illegal in the state for doctors to perform an abortion after 22 weeks unless there is reason to believe it is needed to protect the mother's health.

Kline spoke to reporters after details of the secret investigation, which began in October, surfaced in a legal brief filed by attorneys for two medical clinics. The clinics argued that unless the high court intervenes, women who obtained abortions could find government agents knocking at their door.

The clinics said Kline demanded their complete, unedited medical records for women who sought abortions at least 22 weeks into their pregnancies in 2003, as well as those for girls 15 and younger who sought abortions. Court papers did not identify the clinics.

The records sought include the patient's name, medical history, details of her sex life, birth control practices and psychological profile.

The clinics, which said nearly 90 women and girls would be affected, are offering to provide records with some key information, including names, edited out.

"These women's rights will be sacrificed if this fishing expedition is not halted or narrowed," the clinics said in court papers.

On October 21, state District Judge Richard Anderson ruled that Kline could have the files. The clinics then filed an appeal with the high court. No hearing has been scheduled.

The clinics outlined their legal arguments in a brief filed Tuesday. Though other documents in the case remain sealed, the brief filed Tuesday was not, and The Wichita Eagle disclosed Kline's investigation in a story published Thursday.

In their brief, the clinics' attorneys said a gag order prevents the clinics from even disclosing to patients that their records are being sought. Attorneys declined to comment Thursday, citing the order.

"You can see our desire to discuss as much as possible, but we feel constrained," said attorney Lee Thompson.

Thompson declined to say if his client was Dr. George Tiller, whose Wichita clinic is known as a provider of late-term abortions and is a frequent target of abortion opponents.

Kline would not discuss the scope of the investigation. Recently, Kline's office helped Texas authorities gather information from Tiller regarding a pregnant teenager who sought his care and died in Kansas.

Kline began pushing in 2003 to require health care professionals to report underage sexual activity. Kline contends state law requires such reporting, but a federal judge blocked him. The case has yet to be resolved.

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LomU
02-25-2005, 01:53 PM
In other absurdist news; the administration has named D. Reed Freeman, the former chief "privacy" officer of Claria (AKA "Gator" AKA the biggest bunch of spyware distributors on the planet) to Department of Homeland Security's "Privacy Advisory Committee".
http://www.internetnews.com/ent-news/article.php/3485631

Marvelous.

QuadsOverQuads
02-25-2005, 07:09 PM
And then there's this thing they're calling "rendition" (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6999272/site/newsweek/).

There's an excellent piece on this practice here (http://www.dailykos.com/story/2005/2/25/145344/760).

Bush and his people are completely off the rails.


q/q

zaxx19
02-25-2005, 07:18 PM
In other absurdist news; the administration has named D. Reed Freeman, the former chief "privacy" officer of Claria (AKA "Gator" AKA the biggest bunch of spyware distributors on the planet) to Department of Homeland Security's "Privacy Advisory Committee".


Seems pretty bright to me personally....dont casinos hire ex cheats to work in security....is that absurd in your mind also?

The once and future king
02-26-2005, 07:00 AM
In other news:

The Choco ration is going to be increased to 9 grams.

Utah
02-26-2005, 10:50 AM
What do you find offensive about this? The Attorney General has every right to investgate potential crimes.

I believe he has valid reasons to conduct this investigation. The only reason this would be offensive is if he was conducting the investigation without any reason to believe there was a crime.

Kurn, son of Mogh
02-26-2005, 11:15 AM
Searching the medical records of *every* person in the state who has had an abortion does not fit any reasonable test of probable cause. If this were true, he could subpoena the medical record of any woman who ever visited a mental health professional on the excuse she might be doing it as an aftermath of an unreported rape.

Anybody who values individual freedom and privacy should condemn this guy for being the low-life, police-state scum he is.

<recalling Liddy's directives on where to aim when the jack-booted government thugs come knocking>

Kurn, son of Mogh
02-26-2005, 11:22 AM
Utah, you're a smart guy, so I can't for the life of me believe you honestly think his motivation to to prosecute child rapists. However, if you do, I have bridge for sale in NYC. /images/graemlins/cool.gif

Richard Tanner
02-26-2005, 11:26 AM
"Seems pretty bright to me personally....dont casinos hire ex cheats to work in security....is that absurd in your mind also?"

I heard that this was a myth, and that, with cheating being a very serious offence in LV, cheaters aren't used.
Doesn't change that I think your point is correct, but I just couldn't resist a chance to nitpick /images/graemlins/grin.gif.

Cody

Utah
02-26-2005, 12:23 PM
I believe he requested something like 80 cases where there were specific reason to believe there were crimes committed. I qualified my original comments that I only thought was okay if there was reason to believe their were crimes committed.

I hadnt heard he wanted to search all records. I would have a huge problem with that.

LomU
02-27-2005, 10:51 PM
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In other absurdist news; the administration has named D. Reed Freeman, the former chief "privacy" officer of Claria (AKA "Gator" AKA the biggest bunch of spyware distributors on the planet) to Department of Homeland Security's "Privacy Advisory Committee".


Seems pretty bright to me personally....dont casinos hire ex cheats to work in security....is that absurd in your mind also?

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That is a good point, perhaps he can show us where his old company was expoiting holes in our privacy laws.

When I first read the news, however, I thought of a differnt analogy than yours, more along the lines of, putting a thief in charge of a bank etc.