puzzle

[curtains]

4 players left in a sit and go. Try to compose a situation in which you think the EV between folding and calling for all your money is exactly the same. Try to get as close as possible. Have fun!

[kamrann]

Stacks are 3333, 3333, 3333, and you have 1 chip UTG. Your EV must be fairly close to zero whatever you do I'd imagine. /images/graemlins/wink.gif

[curtains]

Boooo!! Don't know how to word it to eliminate trick answers /images/graemlins/smile.gif

[rachelwxm]

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Stacks are 3333, 3333, 3333, and you have 1 chip UTG. Your EV must be fairly close to zero whatever you do I'd imagine. /images/graemlins/wink.gif

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Not if UTG pushes and sb calls.

[shejk]

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Stacks are 3333, 3333, 3333, and you have 1 chip UTG. Your EV must be fairly close to zero whatever you do I'd imagine. /images/graemlins/wink.gif

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Not if UTG pushes and sb calls.

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You are UTG.

[lorinda]

Stacks are 3333, 3333, 3333, and you have 1 chip UTG. Your EV must be fairly close to zero

Calling here is terrible.

Lori

[lorinda]

Boooo!! Don't know how to word it to eliminate trick answers

4 players left in a SNG, compose a situation where, if a poll were taken of all the members of this forum, exactly 50% would say call and 50% would say fold.

Lori

[RiverTheNuts]

Stacks are all even, but you have a couple chips less than others. Blind is over half your stack. You get AA on BB and everyone goes all in in front of you. If you fold you will have about a 10% chance at first and be guaranteed 2nd. If you push, you get first about 70% of the time, and 4th the other 30...

So:

Call = 50*.7 + 0*.3 = 35
Fold = 50*.1 + 30 = 35

Thats as close as I can get

[kdotsky]

Both pretty close to 0, yes. But that doesn't mean one choice can't be twice as good as the other. I bet folding is higher EV on the chance that one of them goes bust (AA vs KK, misclick, etc.)

[spentrent]

...like Niels Bohr and the barometer...

[Scuba Chuck]

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4 players left in a sit and go. Try to compose a situation in which you think the EV between folding and calling for all your money is exactly the same. Try to get as close as possible. Have fun!

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Let's make three assumptions, to make this more fun.
1) 10,000 starting chips
2) blinds are 300/600
3) Cards are dealt face up. /images/graemlins/smile.gif


The Chips
UTG 900 stack
Button 2000 stack
SB 6200 stack
Hero 900 stack

The cards:
UTG 66
Button mucks
SB AKo
Hero AKs

UTG, pushes his chips in the middle, SB (big stack) quickly calls. What do you do?

Folding = (.55)(.0526) + (.45)(.2198)
Folding = .1278

Calling, lose = 0% of the Equity Prize pool
Calling, tie = 27.07% of the Equity Prize pool
Calling, win = 31.82% of the Equity Prize pool

Calling = (.55)(0) + (.41)(.2707) + (.04)(.3182)
Calling = .1237

[Scuba Chuck]

I did this on my vacation, and I'm not 100% sure my math is correct. Particularly the pokerstove, card equity part.

In the problem above, I used the original 2 way card equity percentages (less 4% for the win) for the final answer. What confused me is why does pokerstove transfer more card equity to 66 if AKs is added to the mix?

Specifically Pokerstove reflects:
66 - 55%
AKo - 45%

And 3 way, it reflects:
66 - 59.1%
AKo - 18.3%
AKs - 22.6%

[Notfunny1]

Because you've reduced the chance that either ak will hit an a or a k.

First post, hooray.

[Scuba Chuck]

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Because you've reduced the chance that either ak will hit an a or a k.

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Wow, can't believe I missed that. Thanks.

[codewarrior]

Well played! /images/graemlins/laugh.gif