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housenuts
02-24-2005, 08:12 PM
is this an easy raise preflop? i don't like it, but SSH seems to advise it. what am i missing?

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Preflop: Hero is Button with J/images/graemlins/heart.gif, K/images/graemlins/heart.gif.
<font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, MP1 calls, MP2 calls, MP3 calls, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, MP1 calls, MP2 calls, MP3 calls.

Flop: (9.50 SB) A/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, 6/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, 3/images/graemlins/diamond.gif <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">MP1 bets</font>, MP2 folds, MP3 calls, Hero folds.

Turn: (5.75 BB) 2/images/graemlins/spade.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">MP1 bets</font>, MP3 calls.

River: (7.75 BB) 4/images/graemlins/heart.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">MP1 bets</font>, MP3 folds.

Final Pot: 8.75 BB
jason_t
02-24-2005, 08:15 PM
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is this an easy raise preflop? i don't like it, but SSH seems to advise it. what am i missing?

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Where?
The-Matador
02-24-2005, 08:16 PM
Yes it is. You typically have a large pot equity advantage here over 3 loose limpers and the blinds. Every bet that goes in preflop makes you money.
Shillx
02-24-2005, 08:17 PM
Yeah this is an autoraise preflop. Raising in this spot puts an extra ~.3-.4 SB in your pocket (compared to limping) against 3 limpers and a random BB hand (assuming that he calls). KJs is a damn good hand.

Brad
jason_t
02-24-2005, 09:13 PM
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is this an easy raise preflop? i don't like it, but SSH seems to advise it. what am i missing?

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Doh. I misread your post. This is such an obvious preflop raise that I read your post too fast and thought you were asking about the flop play. Yes, raise preflop. Punish them for limping with trash.
ErrantNight
02-24-2005, 10:19 PM
umm.. i don't get it... do you think your raise had something to do with the flop coming up 3 diamonds like that? how does this hand illustrate your point?

wouldn't you raise KQs from this position?

KJs isn't a helluva lot worse.

i'm so confused.
Chris Daddy Cool
02-24-2005, 10:44 PM
easy before the flop. easy on the flop.
gaming_mouse
02-24-2005, 11:19 PM
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easy before the flop. easy on the flop.

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seriously? please explain.
Chris Daddy Cool
02-24-2005, 11:22 PM
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easy before the flop. easy on the flop.

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seriously? please explain.

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preflop. KJs will easily win its fairshare and you have position. +EV raise.

flop. the flop completely missed you with an Ace and 3 diamonds on the board and it went bet-call. easy muck.
SGS
02-24-2005, 11:22 PM
Yes this raise is routine especially with your position. I would raise with this from the CO or CO+1 as well possibly even earlier.

SGS
rogue412ww
02-24-2005, 11:30 PM
it all depends on your position, who you're playing with and how easily u can read your opponents, if u can read their tells at all. the odds of making a straight draw or flush draw on the flop are very slim. don't fall into a false sense of security with two face cards in the pocket when one of those face cards is a jack.
gaming_mouse
02-25-2005, 11:30 AM
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flop. the flop completely missed you with an Ace and 3 diamonds on the board and it went bet-call. easy muck.

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sorry, i thought you were suggesting to raise the flop as well. yes, it was an easy muck. and the PF raise was easy too. i just misunderstood.

gm