Mynok
02-23-2005, 12:17 PM
I've been agonizing over this fold I made last night. I've been studying SSH pretty thoroughly over the past month or so and I've definitely made big improvements to my game. I was a weak tight player before, and I think I'm on my way to becoming a tight/aggressive one. I'm trying to determine if this play is a backslide into my wussy days or a proper laydown.
Set-up: I've been at the table for about two orbits. I don't have great reads on the individual players yet, but all in all the table seems pretty juicy: about 4-6 see the flop most hands. Many hands are raised before the flop. I did see villain_1 involved in a hand that was capped preflop where he eventually showed down AJo out of position and took down the pot.
Party Poker 2/4 Hold'em (10 handed) converter (http://www.selachian.com/tools/bisonconverter/hhconverter.cgi)
Preflop: Hero is UTG with A/images/graemlins/club.gif, A/images/graemlins/diamond.gif.
<font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, UTG+2: (Villain_1)/ calls, <font color="#666666">4 folds</font>, Button: (Villain_2)/ calls, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>.
Flop: (7.50 SB) 2/images/graemlins/heart.gif, 8/images/graemlins/spade.gif, 9/images/graemlins/diamond.gif <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, Villain_1 calls, Villain_2 calls.
Turn: (5.25 BB) Q/images/graemlins/diamond.gif <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, Villain_1 calls, Villain_2 calls.
River: (8.25 BB) K/images/graemlins/diamond.gif <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Villain_1 raises</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Villain_2 3-bets</font>, Hero folds, Villain_1 calls.
Final Pot: 15.25 BB
So there you go. I know that in big pots you should be pretty sure you're beat to fold a made hand. Had villain_2 called Villain_1's raise instead of re-raising, I'd have certainly called for one more bet. But I was getting 7 to 1 odds to make a two-bet call. Are those enough odds to make a crying call here?
Set-up: I've been at the table for about two orbits. I don't have great reads on the individual players yet, but all in all the table seems pretty juicy: about 4-6 see the flop most hands. Many hands are raised before the flop. I did see villain_1 involved in a hand that was capped preflop where he eventually showed down AJo out of position and took down the pot.
Party Poker 2/4 Hold'em (10 handed) converter (http://www.selachian.com/tools/bisonconverter/hhconverter.cgi)
Preflop: Hero is UTG with A/images/graemlins/club.gif, A/images/graemlins/diamond.gif.
<font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, UTG+2: (Villain_1)/ calls, <font color="#666666">4 folds</font>, Button: (Villain_2)/ calls, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>.
Flop: (7.50 SB) 2/images/graemlins/heart.gif, 8/images/graemlins/spade.gif, 9/images/graemlins/diamond.gif <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, Villain_1 calls, Villain_2 calls.
Turn: (5.25 BB) Q/images/graemlins/diamond.gif <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, Villain_1 calls, Villain_2 calls.
River: (8.25 BB) K/images/graemlins/diamond.gif <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Villain_1 raises</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Villain_2 3-bets</font>, Hero folds, Villain_1 calls.
Final Pot: 15.25 BB
So there you go. I know that in big pots you should be pretty sure you're beat to fold a made hand. Had villain_2 called Villain_1's raise instead of re-raising, I'd have certainly called for one more bet. But I was getting 7 to 1 odds to make a two-bet call. Are those enough odds to make a crying call here?