Hillarious Poll from CardPlayer.com

[CrazyEvan]

There was a reader poll at cardplayer.com where they asked the readers: "What was the best book on poker ever written?"

http://www.cardplayer.com/poll/index.php?poll_id=127

I think you'll be shocked by the choices they give.

[TwoShedsJackson]

Well I voted for 'Bad Beats and Lucky Draws' /images/graemlins/smile.gif

[Michael Davis]

Obviously this is politically motivated, but it's pretty sad.

-Michael

[steamboatin]

Me too, anybody that stupid needs a screwed up result.

[sethypooh21]

Stuff like this makes me not regret not renewing my subscription.

[cowboyzfan]

bad beats all the way!

[DocMartin]

Havent read "bad beats" but I hear it is outstanding. Got my vote.

[jojobinks]

i can't get to that site: damn firewall at work.

please tell me the choices so that i can mock them appropriately?

[cowboyzfan]

Super System - Brunson
Championship Holdem - Coutier McEvoy
Bad Beats and Lucky Draws - Phil Helmuth
Poker Wisdom of a Champion - Brunson
No Limit Texas Hold'em - Daugherty/McEvoy
52 Tips for Texas Holdem - Barry Shulman

Looks as complete a list as possible

[jojobinks]

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Super System - Brunson
Championship Holdem - Coutier McEvoy
Bad Beats and Lucky Draws - Phil Helmuth
Poker Wisdom of a Champion - Brunson
No Limit Texas Hold'em - Daugherty/McEvoy
52 Tips for Texas Holdem - Barry Shulman

Looks as complete a list as possible

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for shame, cardplayer! for shame!

that's just terrible. /images/graemlins/confused.gif

[popniklas]

OMFGLOLWTF!! ROFLMAO!

(ok, the list might be sad, but it's incredibly funny.)

[benfranklin]

My "Feedback" submission to CardPlayer:

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Your recent poll on the best poker book ever written was a travesty. For starters, the absence of any book by Sklansky or any other 2+2 author destroys CardPlayer's credibility as an objective source of information. This exclusion is obviously politically and commercially motivated. The inclusion of books by Hellmuth and Shulman highlights the use of this "poll" as a shill for CardPlayer products.

If you want to attract intelligent readers (which you may not want), you need to maintain at least a superficial appearance of separating editorial and advertising content.

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[nolanfan34]

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My "Feedback" submission to CardPlayer:

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Your recent poll on the best poker book ever written was a travesty. For starters, the absence of any book by Sklansky or any other 2+2 author destroys CardPlayer's credibility as an objective source of information. This exclusion is obviously politically and commercially motivated. The inclusion of books by Hellmuth and Shulman highlights the use of this "poll" as a shill for CardPlayer products.

If you want to attract intelligent readers (which you may not want), you need to maintain at least a superficial appearance of separating editorial and advertising content.

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Great job! Well written and thought out. I like it.

[jojobinks]

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My "Feedback" submission to CardPlayer:

[ QUOTE ]
Your recent poll on the best poker book ever written was a travesty. For starters, the absence of any book by Sklansky or any other 2+2 author destroys CardPlayer's credibility as an objective source of information. This exclusion is obviously politically and commercially motivated. The inclusion of books by Hellmuth and Shulman highlights the use of this "poll" as a shill for CardPlayer products.

If you want to attract intelligent readers (which you may not want), you need to maintain at least a superficial appearance of separating editorial and advertising content.

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Great job! Well written and thought out. I like it.

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nice. a bit futile, though.

[betgo]

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Super System - Brunson
Championship Holdem - Coutier McEvoy
Bad Beats and Lucky Draws - Phil Helmuth
Poker Wisdom of a Champion - Brunson
No Limit Texas Hold'em - Daugherty/McEvoy
52 Tips for Texas Holdem - Barry Shulman

Looks as complete a list as possible

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"Super System" should be on the list. "No Limit Texas Holdem" by Daugherty/McEvoy is a reasonable inclusion. The others are ridiculous. "Theory of Poker" and "Harrington on Holdem" should definately be on the list.

[pancakes]

Are you all having fun going out of your way to rip CardPlayer, Do you not understand that there are other business issues that most likely prevent them from using choices from TwoPlusTwo because they are associated with Cardoza publishing and therefor they are probably not allowed to mention books by other publishers. If you look at it from a business prospective, which CardPlayer is a successful business, you might understand that you do not want to give others free advertisement, I seriously doubt Mr. Malmuth or Mr. Sklansky would be willing to advertise for Cardoza without getting royalties.
-out

[sethypooh21]

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that most likely prevent them from using choices from TwoPlusTwo because they are associated with Cardoza publishing and therefor they are probably not allowed to mention books by other publishers.

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This argument would carry more weight if they hadn't just run a multi-part series giving weak-tight commentary on SSHE.

[jojobinks]

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that most likely prevent them from using choices from TwoPlusTwo because they are associated with Cardoza publishing and therefor they are probably not allowed to mention books by other publishers.

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This argument would carry more weight if they hadn't just run a multi-part series giving weak-tight commentary on SSHE.

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This argument would carry more weight if the poll was not titled "best poker book ever"

[benfranklin]

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Are you all having fun going out of your way to rip CardPlayer, Do you not understand that there are other business issues that most likely prevent them from using choices from TwoPlusTwo because they are associated with Cardoza publishing and therefor they are probably not allowed to mention books by other publishers.

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That is precisely what folks here are making fun of. Card Player claims to be an objective journal reporting on the poker industry. To publish a purported list of the best poker books without including any 2+2 books is to cede any claim to credibility. To include a book by the publisher on the purported list of the greatest books is the height of conceit and crass commercialism.

[popniklas]

very well said, benfranklin.

also, about "not giving others free advertisement" etc: mason malmuth have given positive reviews to several books not published by 2+2, for example books on poker by bob ciaffone and blackjack/other gambling by arnold snyder and stanford wong. has that made 2+2 sell less books? probably not. has it given mason malmuth and 2+2 more credibility? certainly.

will carplayer's poll make cardoza sell more books? maybe. how does it affect cardplayers credibility? awfully.

btw, i'm not saying that this "advertisement for others" is unique for 2+2 or mason malmuth, it seems pretty usual that poker writers recommend other books published by other companies.

and the question was not "which of these books is the best poker book?" or anything like that. it was "which is the best poker book of all time?". i do indeed think that they are making fools of themselves.

(sorry if this post is a bit unclear or so.. i'm really tired right now)

[MicroBob]

I read a few pages of Bad Beats in the bookstore a couple days ago.

Somewhere around page 4 or 5 or so Phil goes on and on about 'getting some kind of feeling about what your players cards are...not that I believe in ESP or anything...but it's kinda like ESP ....but you're really going to get me to admit that I actually BELIEVE in ESP...because I really don't....but you kind of know what your players have...kinda/aorta like ESP...not that I believe in that sort of thing."


Something like that anyway.
I think Phil does actually have some reasonable stories (best part of Play Poker like the Pros are some of the storuies...even if he's a bit less than humble about it) but the ESP rant was enough to make me put the book down...as if that wasn't going to happen fairly quickly anyway.


to the original point...
cardplayer is taking their little break-up with 2+2 pretty seriously I guess. Pretty ridiculous list.
But...the magazine has been getting stupider and stupider for a little while now and this is pretty much in line with the same direction they've been going on for the past couple years (didn't read it before then).

[cowboyzfan]

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No Limit Texas Holdem" by Daugherty/McEvoy is a reasonable inclusion.

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really? Isn't it a recently published beginers book? If it is one of the greatest poker books ever written I may have to pick it up.

[bobbyi]

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cardplayer is taking their little break-up with 2+2 pretty seriously I guess.

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Break-up? Can you explain? I never heard about this.


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the magazine has been getting stupider and stupider for a little while now

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I agree. I think they are interested in selling as many copies as possible rather than providing the highest quality content they can. At one time, poker magazines were a real niche market and it paid to target the serious poker player. With the big influx of newbies, it is much easier and more profitable to target them instead. There are more of them and they are much easier to please.