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aLOWdAkING
02-23-2005, 03:12 AM
Party Poker 2/4 Hold'em (9 handed) converter (http://www.selachian.com/tools/bisonconverter/hhconverter.cgi)

Villain has a VPIP of 54%, PFR 20.75, AF of 1.5 ish. Though when this hand happened I'm pretty sure these values were lower since I had no previous hands with him.

Preflop: Hero is MP1 with J/images/graemlins/spade.gif, A/images/graemlins/heart.gif.
<font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, <font color="#666666">4 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">BB 3-bets</font>, Hero calls.

VPIP was about 15ish when this happened.

Flop: (6.50 SB) T/images/graemlins/club.gif, 3/images/graemlins/spade.gif, T/images/graemlins/spade.gif <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font>
BB checks, Hero checks.

Missed a chance to take the lead?

Turn: (3.25 BB) A/images/graemlins/club.gif <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">BB bets</font>, Hero calls.

So, AK and AQ are my biggest concern. I think I should have put in a raise here, right?

River: (5.25 BB) 8/images/graemlins/club.gif <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">BB bets</font>, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 7.25 BB

rmarotti
02-23-2005, 03:14 AM
Well, I'm confused about how to read the hand now. If I have those numbers on Villain I'm capping PF, leading the flop, capping the turn, and thinking about the river.

sthief09
02-23-2005, 03:15 AM
I'd have raised the river.

aLOWdAkING
02-23-2005, 03:20 AM
rmarotti, when I played this hand with him, his vpip and pfr were nowhere near this high. The thing that conecerned me was his low 1.5 AF which means he could have checked the flop with AK or AQ if he missed.

sthief09
02-23-2005, 03:28 AM
1.5 is not low, and since your sample seems to be small, it's probably unreliable.

rmarotti
02-23-2005, 03:32 AM
I'm admittedly not a stat expert but I don't think a 1.5er is checking this flop with AK.

rmarotti
02-23-2005, 03:33 AM
I don't get this. Fold to a 3-bet?

sthief09
02-23-2005, 03:40 AM
no. I'm assuming this guy is 56/20 preflop

rmarotti
02-23-2005, 04:22 AM
Got it. I was assuming unknown, as Hero says stats came after the fact. I like this line if we know Villain is so maniacal.

Elizabeth
02-23-2005, 08:27 AM
If you say he's very loose aggressive, I'm surprised someone that aggressive wouldn't bet the flop after a preflop 3 bet. His bet is almost automatic, and his failure to bet has me concerned ... it kinda seems like he has either a ten or he wants the free card.

Combine that action with the ace and the paired board and this seems like a way ahead / way behind situation. If he's bluffing, you don't want him to fold. If he's not, you don't want to raise. So I would not raise on the turn.

I think I would raise the river if I didn't raise the turn. Though I think you have the best hand, I'm not sure this raise is a favorite when you're called. I'm not sure what hands he can call with that you can beat ... but loose players do find a way to call with something, like KK-JJ, or a bad ace. I feel it's marginal, but against a LAG player you are entitled to a raise with top pair good kicker sometime.

Elizabeth
02-23-2005, 08:28 AM
Wait, are there 4 players in the hand or 2? The converter says it's 9 handed and 4 players at every street, but the action says it's headsup. It's headsup right?

Clarkmeister
02-23-2005, 10:49 PM
You played it fine, raising the river is optional, but not at all required.

Schizo
02-24-2005, 05:03 AM
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raising the river is optional,

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What is the reasoning behind raising the river? Less likely to get raised if behind??? Or is their another reason?