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chson

02-22-2005, 10:12 AM

In the previous hand, Button bluff-raised on the river when the board paired.

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Preflop: Hero is CO with K/images/graemlins/heart.gif, K/images/graemlins/spade.gif.
1 fold, UTG+1 raises, UTG+2 calls, MP1 calls, 2 folds, Hero 3-bets, Button caps, 2 folds, UTG+1 calls, UTG+2 calls, MP1 calls, Hero calls.

Flop: (21.50 SB) 2/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, J/images/graemlins/heart.gif, Q/images/graemlins/diamond.gif (5 players)
UTG+1 bets, MP1 calls, Hero raises, Button 3-bets, UTG+1 calls, MP1 calls, Hero calls.

Turn: (18.75 BB) 7/images/graemlins/heart.gif (5 players)
UTG+1 bets, MP1 calls, Hero raises, Button 3-bets, UTG+1 caps, Hero...

James Boston

02-22-2005, 10:16 AM

....calls and check-calls the river.

JoshuaD

02-22-2005, 10:21 AM

If you were gonna raise the turn, why didn't you cap the flop?

edit: And I fold when it's 2 back to me on the turn.

sean c

02-22-2005, 10:22 AM

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....calls and check-calls the river.

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Hero is stuck in the middle what if the raising war continues on the river?

James Boston

02-22-2005, 10:27 AM

I thought of that, but I can't lay big hands down against extremely LAGish opponents. It might be a leak in my game, but folding and having to watch those two goobs show down KQ and AJ would drive me up a wall.

JoshuaD

02-22-2005, 10:29 AM

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I thought of that, but I can't lay big hands down against extremely LAGish opponents. It might be a leak in my game, but folding and having to watch those two goobs show down KQ and AJ would drive me up a wall.

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His only read is on the button, and it's not a very strong read.

James Boston

02-22-2005, 10:36 AM

The title of his post is KK vs LAGs (plural). I'm going to take him on his word there.

chson

02-22-2005, 10:41 AM

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If you were gonna raise the turn, why didn't you cap the flop?

edit: And I fold when it's 2 back to me on the turn.

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I figured capping the flop wouldn't cause anyone to fold. However, it probably would've made the hand easier to play.

Fat Nicky

02-22-2005, 10:43 AM

how laggy are they? Unless they are complete maniacs, i'm folding the turn when it's capped. The chances your behind plus the chance that you will pay more than 1 bet at the river make calling here all the more unattractive.

chson

02-22-2005, 12:19 PM

They both overplayed their hands but it got me to fold the winner.

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Preflop: Hero is CO with K/images/graemlins/heart.gif, K/images/graemlins/spade.gif.
1 fold, UTG+1 raises, UTG+2 calls, MP1 calls, 2 folds, Hero 3-bets, Button caps, 2 folds, UTG+1 calls, UTG+2 calls, MP1 calls, Hero calls.

Flop: (21.50 SB) 2/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, J/images/graemlins/heart.gif, Q/images/graemlins/diamond.gif (5 players)
UTG+1 bets, MP1 calls, Hero raises, Button 3-bets, UTG+1 calls, MP1 calls, Hero calls.

Turn: (18.75 BB) 7/images/graemlins/heart.gif (5 players)
UTG+1 bets, MP1 calls, Hero raises, Button 3-bets, UTG+1 caps, Hero folds, Button calls.

River: (29.75 BB) 5/images/graemlins/heart.gif (4 players)
UTG+1 checks, Button checks.

Final Pot: 29.75 BB

Results in white below: 
UTG+1 has Kd 3d (high card, king).
UTG+2 has 8s Th (high card, queen).
MP1 has Ad 9c (high card, ace).
Button has Qc Ac (one pair, queens).
Outcome: Button wins 29.75 BB.