Counting the pot odds in live games

[seahawktd]

I've found that beyond flop, it's tough to count the exact pot odds, especially when you're reading the opponents, looking at the board, planning strategy. More often than not, it's quite easy to guestimate just by looking at the pot and how many players are still in.

However, there are times where I wish i knew the damned pot odds, and unfortunately playing a live game there is no computer telling me the size of the pot. Does anyone ever run into this problem? I'm thinking about just memorizing the odds in certain situations so that way I don't have to do any calcualtions. thanks in advance

[Joe Tall]

Repeat after me:

The dealer says, "7 players" before the flop. You say in your head: 7:1, 3.5:1 and then add/divide from there. Everytime that dealer says X players, say to yourself, X:1 as if the action was checked to you, then add the bets as they go into the pot and divide them on the turn.

Peace,
Joe Tall

[Demana]

Think of everything in terms of bets. Preflop is fairly easy (just remember to add in the blinds if they folded) and the flop, turn, and river are just additions to the preflop number.

It will take a while, but with practice, it becomes easier.

[pokerkai]

just count players and note the number of raises on each street...its really not that hard if you just think about it the way Joe has laid out

[seahawktd]

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Repeat after me:

The dealer says, "7 players" before the flop.

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thanks joe tall and everyone else. I sure wish the dealers would say how many players are in, but most are either too lazy or too busy BSin. So I have to sit there and look at who's in and sometimes that's not so easy because their cards are hidden behind their stack, hands, etc..
but yeah, this isnt too hard, I'll just focus a little bit more. Must always know the pot odds!!!!

[pokerkai]

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So I have to sit there and look at who's in

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Ummm...you dont normally do this anyways??

[seahawktd]

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So I have to sit there and look at who's in

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Ummm...you dont normally do this anyways??

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of course I scan the table, especially the dangerous players, but it would be nice if the dealer would say how many are in

[xxxxx]

Yeah, I have this problem. If you are playing against a bunch of calling stations, you always have odds to a OESD or a flush draw and never have odds to play middle pair or a gut shot.

Beats doing math anyways. Isn't this game suppose to be fun?

[Chairman Wood]

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If you are playing against a bunch of calling stations, you always have odds to a OESD or a flush draw

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True, however,
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never have odds to play middle pair or a gut shot.


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Very untrue. At most casinos, at the 2/4 to 5/10 level I would guess that you have the odds for these at least 25% of the time on the flop.

[xxxxx]

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Very untrue. At most casinos, at the 2/4 to 5/10 level I would guess that you have the odds for these at least 25% of the time on the flop.

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At the risk of redoing a recent thread I had, a middle pair is really worth 2-3 outs against five calling stations each with a 10% chance of filling a gutshot or something. And a gutshot straight draw is really no better. Even on a rainbow flop there could be a runner runner flush or a redraw could pair and therefore counterfeit your card. Or a pair on the board could make a full house. Don't even think of playing a non-nuts gut shot.

I've lost a lot of money learning this. Trust me.