The hardest level to play in $33s and below on Party?

[lorinda]

I think my play at one of the levels is a little rough and am curious to see what other people think.


Lori

[Bigwig]

I say 25/50.

[eastbay]

I voted 50/100, but 25/50 isn't all that far behind.

eastbay

[Isura]

Preflop: 25/50. Don't know when to push/call/fold yet..
Postflop: 10/15 and 15/30, but maybe because I still suck at NL. /images/graemlins/tongue.gif

[Phil Van Sexton]

50/100

[pokerlaw]

50/100 is the toughest for me. however, when hoping for a good run of cards, I always want it on 25/50, so that I can build a bit of a stack for the upcoming blind increases.

[Jman28]

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I voted 50/100, but 25/50 isn't all that far behind.

eastbay

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ditto (besides the 'eastbay' part)

[rybones]

my vote is 25/50. At this level you likely have the chips to raise 3 or 4xbb. However, if you are called and the flop doesn't hit you or someone comes over the top pre-flop or for whatever reason you need to fold the hand you are in really bad shape. I guess what I am saying is that it becomes easy to get married to a hand or pot at this level and that makes it tough. On the other hand, at the 50/100 the choices are easier (at least when you are short or med. stacked) as you make them all pre-flop: Push or fold!

Just my thoughts,

Ryan

[pokerlaw]

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I guess what I am saying is that it becomes easy to get married to a hand or pot at this level and that makes it tough.

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well put.

[zaphod]

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my vote is 25/50. At this level you likely have the chips to raise 3 or 4xbb. However, if you are called and the flop doesn't hit you or someone comes over the top pre-flop or for whatever reason you need to fold the hand you are in really bad shape. I guess what I am saying is that it becomes easy to get married to a hand or pot at this level and that makes it tough. On the other hand, at the 50/100 the choices are easier (at least when you are short or med. stacked) as you make them all pre-flop: Push or fold!

Just my thoughts,

Ryan

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Yes exactly.


Is it ever ok to limp with a small pocket pair in early position with 650 to 700 chips with 25/50 blinds(with 800 chips at the start as 30 dollar SNG on party)? I have usually either folded or raised depending on the number of players left and my position.

Another question:Say you raise from the CO/button and one of the blinds goes all in, how big a pocket pair do you need to call with no special reads on your opponent?

[ilya]

I said 10/15 because everything I know about postflop play, I've learned playing SnGs. But 25/50 is close after that. I'm surprised some people are saying 50/100; by that point I'm usually either short enough to push or fold or tall enough to bully.

[stupidsucker]

This was easy for me to chose.

50-100 seems the hardest sometimes but looking at my poker tracker stats its a no-brainer.

I have a neg chip EV for level 3(25-50) over my last 1k SnGs. Am I alone? My push fold game is getting better and better, and I already know what I need to improve on it. I have no clue how to tackle this level however.

Great post Lori, one I have been meaning to bring up myself.

[adanthar]

25/50 suuuucks. 50/100, eh, I either have a pushing stack or a folding stack, but there are Step 5 players that specifically don't know how to play 25/50.

[stupidsucker]

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I have a neg chip EV for level 3(25-50) over my last 1k SnGs. Am I alone?

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really I want to know...

[Benholio]

I never really thought 50/100 level was hard to play, but it has always been one of my worst levels in pokertracker.

[networkman]

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my vote is 25/50. At this level you likely have the chips to raise 3 or 4xbb. However, if you are called and the flop doesn't hit you or someone comes over the top pre-flop or for whatever reason you need to fold the hand you are in really bad shape. I guess what I am saying is that it becomes easy to get married to a hand or pot at this level and that makes it tough. On the other hand, at the 50/100 the choices are easier (at least when you are short or med. stacked) as you make them all pre-flop: Push or fold!

Just my thoughts,

Ryan

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Yes, I agree. Once we reach 50/100 decisions are alot more clearcut.

[stupidsucker]

bump..

I want to hear more...

Anyone have good ideas on how to play level 3?

[ilya]

Generally speaking, I believe in erring on the tight-weak side in level 3. Or rather, only playing hands that I'm prepared to go all the way with.

[kyro]

I agree. I find I'm at 5-7BB by 50/100 in probably half of my tournaments. The 25/50 level confuses me though. I find myself folding hands like TT because a raise will basically pot commit me but a push seems rash as only hands that beat me will call and if they all fold, I'm going to win a magical 75 chips

[Phoenix1010]

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I have a neg chip EV for level 3(25-50) over my last 1k SnGs. Am I alone?

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really I want to know...

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No you're not. I have neg chip EV (-.03 BB per hand, very negative) at level 3 over my last 200 sng's, and it's really annoying. I'd also like to hear some more advice on playing it.

Regards,
Steve

[lorinda]

No you're not. I have neg chip EV (-.03 BB per hand, very negative) at level 3 over my last 200 sng's, and it's really annoying. I'd also like to hear some more advice on playing it.


That's a maximum of 2000 hands, not worth worrying about yet.

Level 3 is also my answer. I don't have anything more to add than the reasons already in this thread, I get a hand I really don't want to fold, people are playing too aggressively for me to limp, and if I push, I'm only getting called if I'm beat but only picking up 75 chips if they fold.

Level 4 is like a mild form of level 3 for me (Seems the two are pretty much interchangeable in this thread) as the 'mistake' of pushing at least picks me up 150 chips if everyone folds.

Lori

[rybones]

This is just a thought, but has anyone tried this reasoning at level 3? So level 4 I see lots of folks calling all-ins as they figure people are pushing any A,x or any two broadway cards because time is limited. Alas, they really drop their calling requirements. I wonder if you could pick up some chips if you lowered your push requirements in late position during level 3. I.e. you are CO, there is one limper and you get K,Q suited. Push here as you are not as likely to get a caller level 3 as you might at level 4? you gain t250 if you do this twice and then perhaps could tighten up during level 4? I don't know that I like this, but it is a thought.

Ryan