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1C5
02-21-2005, 08:54 AM
A few points to consider (this is Party $11)

1. How was my initial reraise?
2.Now what do I do with a mananic on the first hand?

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t15 (10 handed) converter (http://www.selachian.com/tools/bisonconverter/hhconverter.cgi)

MP3 (t800)
CO (t800)
Button (t800)
SB (t800)
BB (t800)
UTG (t800)
UTG+1 (t800)
UTG+2 (t800)
MP1 (t800)
Hero (t800)

Preflop: Hero is MP2 with K/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, K/images/graemlins/heart.gif.
UTG calls t15, UTG+1 calls t15, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">MP1 raises to t100</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to t200</font>, <font color="#666666">5 folds</font>, UTG folds, UTG+1 folds, MP1 calls t100.

Flop: (t455) T/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, J/images/graemlins/heart.gif, 9/images/graemlins/heart.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">MP1 bets t600 (All-In)</font>

Hero??

Phil Van Sexton
02-21-2005, 09:14 AM
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1. How was my initial reraise?

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Fine. I like to bump it a little more, 250-300. Hoping to get him to all-in pre-flop, but the min raise is fine.


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2.Now what do I do with a mananic on the first hand?

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I assume you mean on the flop? Well, if he had JJ, he'd let you hang yourself. So AA, QQ or 92....I would call.

Msogard
02-21-2005, 09:15 AM
Raise more pre-flop.

poboys
02-21-2005, 07:46 PM
I'd make it T300 to go.

I'd call his all in. I can't imagine someone playing AA that way (why wouldn't he re-raise you), QQ is a possibility. If he had jacks, I think he'd slowplayem a little. My guess is he's got a flush draw, or maybe got lucky with a JT.

onthebutton
02-21-2005, 08:00 PM
I'm thinking QQ here. You'd hope he'd be bright enough to slow down a bit with JJ here, but he could be slamming away with it fearing the flush.

And remember, it's a Party Poker low buy in tourney. He could very well have K10o. Call him down, if he has those jacks so be it.

Sidekick
02-21-2005, 08:38 PM
Preflop I would raise it to either 250 or 300. I don't like to mess around with AA or KK here. If I'm first in the pot I'll bet about 100 when the blinds are that small, but if someone else likes their hand that much then I want to get the chips in before the flop. I also want to drive out any weak Ax that some nut is playing or make them pay before the flop so if an A doesn't come on the flop I have gotten enough of their chips in the pot that they hopefully will chase.

Unfortunately this is Party $11 so you are looking at either being way ahead or way behind on this flop. Chances are that you are way ahead, but I have seen too many at the $11s to discount a hand like KQ, JT, J9, T9, 87 or even a set here. I've also seen plenty of players at the $11s push here with nothing but the flush draw.

First hand I would lean more towards villain holding AJ and trying to get all his chips in while he's got top pair.

In this situation I would reluctantly call. There are plenty of hands that have me beat, but the hands that have me beat shouldn't be in at this point. You also have a couple of redraws that will beat most of the hands that currently have you beat. This bet looks like someone trying to drive you out of the pot. Of course it could just be an inexperienced player that is excited because they've got the nuts and want all your chips now!

Hope this helps.

dfscott
02-21-2005, 09:21 PM
I'd always push here in the 11's. Remember that a lot of these guys are nuts...

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t15 (9 handed) converter (http://www.selachian.com/tools/bisonconverter/hhconverter.cgi)

saw flop|<font color="#C00000">saw showdown</font>

MP2 (t730)
MP3 (t2105)
<font color="#C00000">CO (t530)</font>
Button (t537)
SB (t775)
<font color="#C00000">Hero (t800)</font>
UTG (t510)
UTG+1 (t1318)
MP1 (t695)

Preflop: Hero is BB with K/images/graemlins/club.gif, K/images/graemlins/diamond.gif.
UTG calls t15, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, MP2 calls t15, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">CO raises to t70</font>, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to t250</font>, UTG folds, MP2 folds, CO calls t180.

Flop: (t540) 7/images/graemlins/spade.gif, T/images/graemlins/spade.gif, 4/images/graemlins/heart.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets t550 (All-in)</font>, CO calls t280 (All-in).

Turn: (t1370) K/images/graemlins/heart.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>

River: (t1370) 8/images/graemlins/spade.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>

Final Pot: t1370

Results in white below: <font color="#FFFFFF">
Hero has Kc Kd (three of a kind, kings).
CO has 5h Ah (high card, ace).
Outcome: Hero wins t1370. </font>

sng-sam
02-21-2005, 09:56 PM
Fold preflop. if you bet a guy with A6o will call and bust your butt. Bitter? Me? NO! :P

Rick

curtains
02-22-2005, 05:15 AM
I would raise more preflop to about 250-300. I would probably call postflop, but I wouldnt be too excited about it.