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Fnord
02-20-2005, 10:21 PM
My opponent in each is passive post-flop. Am I pushing too hard or not giving them enough credit?

Villain is ~50/7 passive post-flop

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Preflop: Fnord is BB with A/images/graemlins/heart.gif, T/images/graemlins/heart.gif.
UTG calls, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">SB raises</font>, Fnord calls, UTG calls.

Flop: (6 SB) K/images/graemlins/spade.gif, J/images/graemlins/heart.gif, K/images/graemlins/club.gif <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">SB bets</font>, Fnord calls, UTG folds.

Turn: (4 BB) Q/images/graemlins/spade.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">SB bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Fnord raises</font>, <font color="#CC3333">SB 3-bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Fnord caps</font>, SB calls.

River: (12 BB) 5/images/graemlins/spade.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
SB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Fnord bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">SB raises</font>, Fnord calls.

Final Pot: 16 BB


Villain is ~25/4 passive post-flop


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Preflop: Fnord is MP2 with A/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, T/images/graemlins/heart.gif.
<font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, UTG+1 calls, UTG+2 calls, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Fnord raises</font>, <font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, SB calls, BB calls, UTG+1 calls, UTG+2 calls.

Flop: (10 SB) 9/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, 6/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, 6/images/graemlins/club.gif <font color="#0000FF">(5 players)</font>
SB checks, BB checks, UTG+1 checks, UTG+2 checks, <font color="#CC3333">Fnord bets</font>, SB folds, BB folds, UTG+1 calls, UTG+2 folds.

Turn: (6 BB) 2/images/graemlins/diamond.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
UTG+1 checks, <font color="#CC3333">Fnord bets</font>, UTG+1 calls.

River: (8 BB) T/images/graemlins/diamond.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
UTG+1 checks, <font color="#CC3333">Fnord bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">UTG+1 raises</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Fnord 3-bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">UTG+1 caps</font>, Fnord calls.

Final Pot: 16 BB

Villain is ~50/5 passive post-flop

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Preflop: Fnord is MP1 with J/images/graemlins/heart.gif, A/images/graemlins/heart.gif.
UTG calls, <font color="#CC3333">Fnord raises</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, CO calls, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, BB calls, UTG calls.

Flop: (8.33 SB) K/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, 8/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, J/images/graemlins/spade.gif <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font>
BB checks, UTG checks, <font color="#CC3333">Fnord bets</font>, CO calls, BB calls, UTG calls.

Turn: (6.16 BB) A/images/graemlins/club.gif <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font>
BB checks, UTG checks, <font color="#CC3333">Fnord bets</font>, CO calls, BB folds, UTG calls.

River: (9.16 BB) 7/images/graemlins/heart.gif <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
UTG checks, <font color="#CC3333">Fnord bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">CO raises</font>, UTG folds, <font color="#CC3333">Fnord 3-bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">CO caps</font>, Fnord calls.

Final Pot: 17.16 BB

Nate tha' Great
02-20-2005, 10:33 PM
The one that I think you're really misplaying is Hand 1. Your opponent is pretty tight, and there's just too much chance that your opponent is already full, or the queen you need for a gutshot could make him full, or you make a gutshot but the board makes him full on the river. I don't think this is a call getting 7:1. When a usually passive opponent is pwning you like this after you hit your perfect card, you probably were incorrect to draw to begin with.

DMBFan23
02-20-2005, 10:42 PM
gonna give my comments, then read nate's reply.

in hand 1, I think I like raising the flop. we can force out UTG who might be drawing to 6 outs, we can probably take down the pot now or on the turn if SB is weak, and we have the option (though we probably won't want to) of taking a free card.

hand 2 is good I suppose. against a tougher opponent you might want to "check hands with outs" but I like firing again against only one opponent where you probably take it down a lot.

hand 3, I can't imagine just calling his river raise. looks like AK or a set after you get capped though (AA maybe?).

Bill Smith
02-20-2005, 10:42 PM
I agree with Nate on Hand 1.

Hand 3: Just call the river raise. My guess is that CO had a set but was out of position against your aggression and went for overcalls until the river.

Shillx
02-20-2005, 10:49 PM
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Hand 3: Just call the river raise. My guess is that CO had a set but was out of position against your aggression and went for overcalls until the river.

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Or he has T9 and hit a straight. I don't think I'm 3-betting in this spot.

Brad

Fnord
02-20-2005, 11:14 PM
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Hand 3: Just call the river raise. My guess is that CO had a set but was out of position against your aggression and went for overcalls until the river.

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Or he has T9 and hit a straight. I don't think I'm 3-betting in this spot.


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He had JJ. Good point about getting into his head and figuring he was going for over-calls. T9 also fits the action nicely.