Marginal Situation on Flop

[yellowjack]

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Preflop: Hero is MP3 with 8/images/graemlins/heart.gif, 8/images/graemlins/diamond.gif.
UTG calls, <font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, MP2 calls, Hero calls, CO calls, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, BB checks.

Flop: (5.40 SB) J/images/graemlins/spade.gif, 9/images/graemlins/club.gif, T/images/graemlins/spade.gif <font color="#0000FF">(5 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">BB bets</font>, UTG calls, MP2 calls, Hero ???

[Allinlife]

small pot
you have no redraws
facing multiple opponent with great potential redraws

I fold

[btspider]

at multi-tabling gametime speed i'd call.

i think our position is decent to fold scary turns (turn Q.. bet and raise to us) and push the spadeless sevens.

[Brain]

I'd probably call. OESD, careful with a turned Q or /images/graemlins/spade.gif. An 8 puts 4 to a straight on board, but gives you a nice redraw.

[tytygoodnuts]

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I'd probably call. OESD, careful with a turned Q or /images/graemlins/spade.gif. An 8 puts 4 to a straight on board, but gives you a nice redraw.

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Wow, I didn't think about the nice redraw. I like the call.

[gvibes]

Is raising this preflop marginal? I think I usually raise this.

[Yobz]

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Is raising this preflop marginal? I think I usually raise this.

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[yellowjack]

Good pickup there, I think a lot of us missed the redraw.

[gasoltub]

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Is raising this preflop marginal? I think I usually raise this.

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SSH says raise from LP in loose games and call in tight games. And from other positions it recommends calling.

[yellowjack]

With two in voluntarily and more possible I tried to play for the set and just call.

Raising may get the blinds to fold, but definitely not UTG or that other player. So on the flop if a 9,T, J, Q, K, or A comes on the board and no 8, I'm stuck in no man's land.

Some regular(s) suggest 3-betting with pairs as low as 66 vs. a LP raiser (putting you in the CO/button) so you get heads up in a 55/45 situation with some dead money in the pot. That, and maybe playing at a super-tight table in MP/LP is the only time I would personally try raising with 88.

[digitalis]

OK, I'll take a crack at this. I've just been lurking around- hopefully I'll learn something by posting my thoughts.

I would fold. The pot is small. You have the bottom end of a one card OESD with a two flush on the board.

Except for non-spade sevens, all of your outs are devalued. Frequently, you'll make a hand and still lose. I think you'll lose more money calling then you'll earn when your hand holds up.

Also, I think the pot is too small to consider longshot redraws.