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Pat Southern

02-20-2005, 01:02 PM

Am I overplaying these hands, or are the monsters just coming out from under the bed all at the same time?

On this hand I was going to check call the river, unless I improved.

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Preflop: Hero is SB with A/images/graemlins/club.gif, A/images/graemlins/spade.gif.
8 folds, Hero raises, BB calls.

Flop: (4 SB) 7/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, 4/images/graemlins/club.gif, K/images/graemlins/club.gif (2 players)
Hero bets, BB calls.

Turn: (3 BB) 6/images/graemlins/heart.gif (2 players)
Hero bets, BB raises, Hero 3-bets, BB caps, Hero calls.

River: (11 BB) A/images/graemlins/heart.gif (2 players)
Hero bets, BB raises, Hero 3-bets, BB caps, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 19 BB

MP1 in this hand has a 60% VPIP, and I'm not worried about him at all. Dont have enough hands with CO to draw any reads, but she's not a complete moron.

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Preflop: Hero is UTG+1 with Q/images/graemlins/spade.gif, T/images/graemlins/spade.gif.
1 fold, Hero calls, MP1 calls, 2 folds, CO raises, Button calls, 1 fold, BB calls, Hero calls, MP1 calls.

Flop: (10.33 SB) T/images/graemlins/heart.gif, Q/images/graemlins/club.gif, 3/images/graemlins/diamond.gif (5 players)
BB checks, Hero checks, MP1 checks, CO bets, Button folds, BB folds, Hero raises, MP1 calls, CO 3-bets, Hero caps, MP1 calls, CO calls.

Turn: (11.16 BB) 7/images/graemlins/spade.gif (3 players)
Hero bets, MP1 calls, CO raises, Hero 3-bets, MP1 calls, CO caps, Hero calls, MP1 calls.

River: (23.16 BB) 4/images/graemlins/heart.gif (3 players)
Hero checks, MP1 checks, CO bets, Hero calls, MP1 folds.

Final Pot: 25.16 BB

Spartan1983

02-20-2005, 01:41 PM

1st hand seems fine to me. 2nd hand I probably slow down on the turn against an unknown.

spydog

02-20-2005, 01:47 PM

Hand 1: You must bet the flop and you did. You must 3-bet the turn headsup and you did. You must 3-bet the river and you did. Nothing wrong here. You might have run into 53 or 85, but KK, 77, 44, AK, K7, K4, 74, 66, K6, 64, 76 could also play this hand the same way.

Hand 2: I might smooth call the flop 3-bet and go for a CR to make MP1 pay for his straight draw. If 3-bet on the turn, I would go into calldown mode.

brettbrettr

02-20-2005, 01:49 PM

[ QUOTE ]
Am I overplaying these hands, or are the monsters just coming out from under the bed all at the same time?

On this hand I was going to check call the river, unless I improved.

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Preflop: Hero is SB with A/images/graemlins/club.gif, A/images/graemlins/spade.gif.
8 folds, Hero raises, BB calls.

Flop: (4 SB) 7/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, 4/images/graemlins/club.gif, K/images/graemlins/club.gif (2 players)
Hero bets, BB calls.

Turn: (3 BB) 6/images/graemlins/heart.gif (2 players)
Hero bets, BB raises, Hero 3-bets, BB caps, Hero calls.

River: (11 BB) A/images/graemlins/heart.gif (2 players)
Hero bets, BB raises, Hero 3-bets, BB caps, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 19 BB

MP1 in this hand has a 60% VPIP, and I'm not worried about him at all. Dont have enough hands with CO to draw any reads, but she's not a complete moron.

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Preflop: Hero is UTG+1 with Q/images/graemlins/spade.gif, T/images/graemlins/spade.gif.
1 fold, Hero calls, MP1 calls, 2 folds, CO raises, Button calls, 1 fold, BB calls, Hero calls, MP1 calls.

Flop: (10.33 SB) T/images/graemlins/heart.gif, Q/images/graemlins/club.gif, 3/images/graemlins/diamond.gif (5 players)
BB checks, Hero checks, MP1 checks, CO bets, Button folds, BB folds, Hero raises, MP1 calls, CO 3-bets, Hero caps, MP1 calls, CO calls.

Turn: (11.16 BB) 7/images/graemlins/spade.gif (3 players)
Hero bets, MP1 calls, CO raises, Hero 3-bets, MP1 calls, CO caps, Hero calls, MP1 calls.

River: (23.16 BB) 4/images/graemlins/heart.gif (3 players)
Hero checks, MP1 checks, CO bets, Hero calls, MP1 folds.

Final Pot: 25.16 BB

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Sans reads, Hand 1 looks fine. Hand 2 I wouldn't 3 bet the turn.

edited b/c I misread hand 1.

JackWilson

02-20-2005, 01:49 PM

The 1st hand is fine. On the turn I would start to get worried that I'm behind but the on the river obv there are only 2 two-card hands you lose to.

Hand number 2:
There aren't many hands we can put CO on here. I certainly don't think CO has TT or QQ, IMO those hands would have been played slower. I guess it's possible if CO was worrying about a straight. This looks like an overplayed overpair to me, but then I could be wrong. I think you need a read on CO, esp post-flop AF before you can really decide what to do here.

Pat Southern

02-20-2005, 02:22 PM

So far hand one is ok, but hand 2 some would slow down on the turn. And it was hand 2 that I was more unsure of, so I'm going to post my thoughts. The CO isnt afraid of my flop c/r, so that probably means a AA, KK, AQ, QQ, or TT (I doubt she's raising with 33 PF) and maybe KQs. Theres only 2 ways to make a hand that beats me, red queens or T /images/graemlins/diamond.gifT /images/graemlins/club.gif. So my plan on the turn was to bet, and 3 bet still as long as the board doesn't pair, or if an A comes and the villian still isn't slowing down. After the turn when I've told her that I'm not afraid of her overpair, and she's not afraid of me being not afraid of her overpair I figure check/call is best and just hope that I cracked an overplayed AA. Thoughts?