98s on le butón - PFR & Free Card Play

[milesdyson]

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Preflop: Hero is Button with 8/images/graemlins/spade.gif, 9/images/graemlins/spade.gif.
UTG calls, UTG+1 calls, UTG+2 calls, MP1 calls, MP2 calls, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, BB calls, UTG calls, UTG+1 calls, UTG+2 calls, MP1 calls, MP2 calls.

Flop: (14.50 SB) 5/images/graemlins/club.gif, 5/images/graemlins/heart.gif, 7/images/graemlins/diamond.gif <font color="#0000FF">(7 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">BB bets</font>, UTG folds, UTG+1 calls, UTG+2 calls, MP1 folds, MP2 calls, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, BB calls, UTG+1 folds, UTG+2 calls, MP2 calls.

<font color="blue">Table is slightly loose, pretty passive except for one Taz (MP2), but he would already have gone crazy on the flop if that's what he wanted to do. Once he just called, I was pretty sure I'd get the free card.</font>

Turn: (11.75 BB) K/images/graemlins/diamond.gif <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font>
BB checks, UTG+2 checks, MP2 checks, Hero checks.

River: (11.75 BB) 6/images/graemlins/club.gif <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font>
BB folds, UTG+2 checks, <font color="#CC3333">MP2 bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, UTG+2 folds, MP2 calls.

Final Pot: 15.75 BB

[Entity]

With the reads you've given, I like the whole thing.

Rob

[ArturiusX]

Well played.

[Firefly]

mmm...nice pot. Well played an good use of the free card play. Nice to see some fancy plays actually work /images/graemlins/tongue.gif

[Redd]

The free card play looks scrumptióus, but could someone help me out with the preflop raise? I don't understand how 89s has enough value against 5 limpers.

[mackthefork]

As I always say 'It's an art not a science!'.

Nice Hand

Regards Mack

[Shillx]

Gold star for this one homeskillet. Okay it is time for me to go impress some people at the local B&amp;M. It's a shame none of you live in the bay area and can't meet up at Lucky Chances to gamble it up at 6/12. /images/graemlins/cool.gif

Brad

[Shillx]

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The free card play looks scrumptióus, but could someone help me out with the preflop raise? I don't understand how 89s has enough value against 5 limpers.

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Download Pokerstove and run a sim. It will help you realize how good his hand is more then having me tell you that it is $$$ in your pocket.

Brad

[Redd]

equity (%) win (%) / tie (%)

Hand 1: 17.8257 % [ 00.17 00.01 ] { 98s }
Hand 2: 13.6279 % [ 00.13 00.01 ] { random }
Hand 3: 13.7154 % [ 00.13 00.01 ] { random }
Hand 4: 13.7070 % [ 00.13 00.01 ] { random }
Hand 5: 13.7469 % [ 00.13 00.01 ] { random }
Hand 6: 13.6834 % [ 00.13 00.01 ] { random }
Hand 7: 13.6937 % [ 00.13 00.01 ] { random }

I stuck in an extra player to assume one behind us will call too. Your raise is putting in a little over 14% equity and you're getting a little under 18% back. And this is assuming that each of these players will limp with 72o. Isn't this pretty slim?

Redd

[milesdyson]

I see value there. /images/graemlins/smile.gif

[Redd]

Yeah, I suppose so - I guess instead of bitching, the constructive thing I should be doing is learning more about it: how little pot equity would you need in this hand for it still to be worth a value raise? 14.5%? 15%? 16%?

[btspider]

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With the reads you've given, I like the whole thing.

Rob

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(flop raise)
with all the overs that could come, a stop-n-go seems semi-likely here. are you attempting this on a typical 2/4 table?

if we call closing the action, and our money card 6 comes on the turn, BB should still bet his overpair, 5x, or 7x, giving us a sweet field trapping raise.

if its 3-bet, representing a 5, our free card ploy is gone, and our equity is wiped out. we're *barely* a favorite against random hands. callers with two overcards (vs random hands proclivity to have some undercards) or 8x/9x with better kickers might make us a wash.

is the free card that big a coup that its worth spending the extra $$. its success with this large field just seems a tad dubious.