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Karak567
02-18-2005, 07:14 PM
Should I have led out with such a huge bet? Should I have checked/folded? I thought I could represent AK and get them to fold.

I was wrong.

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t20 (9 handed) converter (http://www.selachian.com/tools/bisonconverter/hhconverter.cgi)

CO (t1500)
Button (t1860)
SB (t1480)
Hero (t1500)
UTG (t1480)
UTG+1 (t1500)
MP1 (t1180)
MP2 (t1500)
MP3 (t1500)

Preflop: Hero is BB with K/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, K/images/graemlins/spade.gif.
<font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, UTG+1 calls t20, MP1 calls t20, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, MP3 calls t20, CO calls t20, Button calls t20, SB completes, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to t160</font>, UTG+1 folds, MP1 folds, MP3 calls t140, CO folds, Button calls t140, SB folds.

Flop: (t560) 4/images/graemlins/spade.gif, A/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, 4/images/graemlins/club.gif <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets t400</font>, MP3 folds, <font color="#CC3333">Button raises to t1700</font>, Hero folds.

Final Pot: t2660
jeffraider
02-18-2005, 07:18 PM
I'd probably have fired out 300 or so, but 400 seems fine too. Sucks, but I would have played it the same.
Karak567
02-18-2005, 07:26 PM
Yeah, this same person just got caught re-raising someone all in on an AKQ board with 23os.

...

I guess I would have won if I had called, but even A2 had me beat there.
AA suited
02-18-2005, 10:31 PM
bet 1/2 pot to see where u stand. fold to a riase (like this guy's all-in). if only called, check/fold to the river.
pshaw019
02-18-2005, 11:49 PM
Am i the only one who would abandon the pot and just check/fold?

What are the chances that neither of them has an ace?
AtticusFinch
02-19-2005, 01:16 AM
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Am i the only one who would abandon the pot and just check/fold?

What are the chances that neither of them has an ace?

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If it's even 33%, you're getting the odds to take a shot for half the pot. I'd guess it's probably a little more than that.

Still, with two players in the pot, betting out is going to be high-variance, even if it is +EV.
SumZero
02-19-2005, 07:39 AM
You don't need them both to not have A. If one of them has A-low they might fold since you showed agression preflop. As long as 400 is a normal bet I think this a good play. I find it works way more often than I'd expect (although I bet the pot).
networkman
02-19-2005, 07:51 AM
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You don't need them both to not have A. If one of them has A-low they might fold since you showed agression preflop. As long as 400 is a normal bet I think this a good play. I find it works way more often than I'd expect (although I bet the pot).

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It's been my experience that if someone calls a decent preflop raise with Ax and an Ace flops they call.

The highest I play are the 50's (mainly 20's ATM) I would guess this doesnt happen as much higher up...