No limit raise question.....

[Mike Gallo]

Hey everyone,

I witnesses something the other night at the Taj in AC. I played in a $1-$2 blind $300 max no limit game.

Post flop 4 players in the hand

Player 1 (500) bet $75

Player 2 (200)called

Player 3 raised all in to $120

Player 4 (350) could not reraise.

Does this make sense?

[juanez]

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Does this make sense?

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Hell no.

If the other players (besides the all-in player) have chips on the table, raising should be allowed - no question about it. I think these situations are why God created "side pots". /images/graemlins/grin.gif

[Bremen]

uh, the floor ruled this!?? I keep thinking I should check out the Taj, I keep coming up with reasons to go to the Borg anyway when I get there (its not that hard to come up with reasons though :0)

[Bremen]

heck, even by the limit rules they're forced to use a reraise should be allowed

[youngin20]

No, player 4 cannot raise, because the all in was not twice the size of the original bet. its kind of a goofy rule, but its a rule none the less

[Pov]

The rule you are referring to would prevent Players 1 and 2 from raising if the bet was too small to "re-open" the pot. However, Player 4 is not bound by this because he has not yet called the initial $75 bet from Player 1. He can either call or raise to any amount $150 and above so not allowing him to raise is clearly wrong unless the Taj has some extremely bizarre no limit rules.

[Bremen]

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The rule you are referring to would prevent Players 1 and 2 from raising if the bet was too small to "re-open" the pot.

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In NJ casino control makes them use limit rules, so a 1/2 raise reopens the pot. Players 1 and 2 should be allowed to reraise as well.

[Mike Gallo]

..thanks so far.

I must not have written the amounts down correctly, however I know player 4 could not have reraised after player 3 went all in.

Thanks.

[Jay36489]

I thought the rule just limited the original bettor from reraising. I was under the impression that #2 could reraise if #4 then #1 called the allin. Is this not correct?

[TomCollins]

Doesn't make any sense. What if he is all in for $10 instead of $120?

1 and 2 cannot reraise if it is called to them, but anyone else can raise whatever they want.

The interesting question is, what is the minimum they must raise it to. I would assume either $225 or $240. $225 since a minimum raise is to $150, and a minimum raise on this is $225. $240 if you are playing the double-raise rule.

I still haven't figured out that rule yet. Maybe if I ask in a casino, and I get the wrong answer, I'll get hounded for angle shooting again.

[Chipp Leider]

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The rule you are referring to would prevent Players 1 and 2 from raising if the bet was too small to "re-open" the pot.

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*In NJ casino control makes them use limit rules*, so a 1/2 raise reopens the pot. Players 1 and 2 should be allowed to reraise as well.

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Not that I don't believe you Brem, but I was not aware of this. Can anyone confirm?

[Randy_Refeld]

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Not that I don't believe you Brem, but I was not aware of this. Can anyone confirm?


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Seems to be what everyone frmo AC says. I couldn't believe it when I first heard it, but I doubt that every single poster that plays in AC would be wrong.

RR

[Ray Zee]

the right rules is he can raise to 225 or more. but many (and an okay rule) ues that you must raise an amount of at least the amount to you. so it would be 240 or more.
what AC does and some other places that dont know jack, i dont know. i see these things get ruled all different ways from different floormen and casinos. you just have to live with it.

[Scotty O]

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No, player 4 cannot raise, because the all in was not twice the size of the original bet. its kind of a goofy rule, but its a rule none the less

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This is completely wrong. Player 4 has not even acted yet. Player 4 can raise. However, if PLayer 4 called, player 1 and 2 cannot reraise since the all in didnot double the raise