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gyndok

02-17-2005, 10:04 PM

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t150 (4 handed) converter (http://www.selachian.com/tools/bisonconverter/hhconverter.cgi)

Gyndok (t1780)
Button (t1955)
SB (t4415)
BB (t5350)

Preflop: Gyndok is UTG with A/images/graemlins/heart.gif, Q/images/graemlins/club.gif.
Gyndok raises to t450, Button calls t450, 2 folds.

Flop: (t1125) 2/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, Q/images/graemlins/spade.gif, 7/images/graemlins/club.gif (2 players)
Gyndok checks, Button bets t450, Gyndok calls t450.

Turn: (t2025) T/images/graemlins/club.gif (2 players)
Gyndok checks, Button bets t1055 (All-In), Gyndok calls t880 (All-In).

River: (t3960) K/images/graemlins/club.gif (2 players, 2 all-in)

Final Pot: t3960

Results in white below: 
Gyndok has Ah Qc (one pair, queens).
Button has Jc Ad (straight, ace high).
Outcome: Button wins t3960.

ilya

02-17-2005, 10:11 PM

I prefer betting or check-raising the flop, but ok. But on the turn, you gotta push. The pot is already large and this is no time to give the Button the opportunity to see a free river.

Shanemex

02-17-2005, 10:18 PM

You call THAT a bad beat?

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t15 (8 handed) converter (http://www.selachian.com/tools/bisonconverter/hhconverter.cgi)

SB (t2535)
BB (t755)
UTG (t710)
UTG+1 (t775)
Hero (t760)
MP2 (t1170)
CO (t525)
Button (t770)

Preflop: Hero is MP1 with 8/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, 8/images/graemlins/heart.gif.
2 folds, Hero calls t15, MP2 calls t15, CO calls t15, 1 fold, SB completes, BB checks.

Flop: (t75) A/images/graemlins/club.gif, 8/images/graemlins/spade.gif, 8/images/graemlins/club.gif (5 players)
SB checks, BB checks, Hero checks, MP2 bets t150, CO folds, SB folds, BB folds, Hero calls t150.

Turn: (t375) 9/images/graemlins/club.gif (2 players)
Hero checks, MP2 bets t1005 (All-In), Hero calls t595 (All-In).

River: (t1975) 9/images/graemlins/heart.gif (2 players, 2 all-in)

Final Pot: t1975

Results in white below: 
Hero has 8d 8h (four of a kind, eights).
MP2 has 9s 9d (four of a kind, nines).
Outcome: MP2 wins t1975.

gyndok

02-17-2005, 10:19 PM

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I prefer betting or check-raising the flop, but ok. But on the turn, you gotta push. The pot is already large and this is no time to give the Button the opportunity to see a free river.

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Your point well taken, but my plan here was to appear weak and induce a bluff.. It worked, he just sucked out. Now in retrospect I push the turn, he folds, but I didnt know he was THAT weak... I felt the best way to get him to put more chips in the pot was to let him bet it. Maybe a mistake, that is why I posted it.

Gyn

gyndok

02-17-2005, 10:23 PM

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You call THAT a bad beat?

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that has got to be the worst one ever

ilya

02-17-2005, 10:24 PM

I understand what you were trying to do. However, when the pot is already huge AND a scare card like the Tc falls, you need to be thinking about taking the pot down immediately - not trying to extract more chips.

1C5

02-17-2005, 11:19 PM

[ QUOTE ]
You call THAT a bad beat?

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t15 (8 handed) converter (http://www.selachian.com/tools/bisonconverter/hhconverter.cgi)

SB (t2535)
BB (t755)
UTG (t710)
UTG+1 (t775)
Hero (t760)
MP2 (t1170)
CO (t525)
Button (t770)

Preflop: Hero is MP1 with 8/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, 8/images/graemlins/heart.gif.
2 folds, Hero calls t15, MP2 calls t15, CO calls t15, 1 fold, SB completes, BB checks.

Flop: (t75) A/images/graemlins/club.gif, 8/images/graemlins/spade.gif, 8/images/graemlins/club.gif (5 players)
SB checks, BB checks, Hero checks, MP2 bets t150, CO folds, SB folds, BB folds, Hero calls t150.

Turn: (t375) 9/images/graemlins/club.gif (2 players)
Hero checks, MP2 bets t1005 (All-In), Hero calls t595 (All-In).

River: (t1975) 9/images/graemlins/heart.gif (2 players, 2 all-in)

Final Pot: t1975

Results in white below: 
Hero has 8d 8h (four of a kind, eights).
MP2 has 9s 9d (four of a kind, nines).
Outcome: MP2 wins t1975. 

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Hahaha ouch. Worst one ever.

Scuba Chuck

02-18-2005, 02:18 AM

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You call THAT a bad beat?

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I am not exactly sure, but isn't that a GOOD beat? I thought in order to win the Bad Beat Jackpot, you had to lose with at least 4 of a kind, and both of you have to use two cards in your hand. Furthermore, I believe the minimum is 4 of a kind 8s.

Does anybody know? I would check with PP.

Edit: I guess this only applies to limit games.

Bad beats will be paid out on real money Hold'em games (Limits $2/$4, $3/$6, $5/$10, $10/$20 and $15/$30); available under the Bad Beat Jackpot Tab only.

lorinda

02-18-2005, 02:20 AM

Does anybody know? I would check with PP.

You have to be playing a bad beat table with nice extra rake.

Lori

ilya

02-18-2005, 02:21 AM

You can only win the jackpot while playing on the bad-beat jackpot (ring game) tables.

curtains

02-18-2005, 04:42 AM

IMO check calling the flop is flat out terrible, especially since you are on the bubble!! I would bet the flop, but if you are going to check, you absolutely must check raise on the flop. You only have 800 behind and have 900 of your own chips in the pot. This is not the time to try to extract an extra 800 in chips. If you had QQ ok, but you just have AQ.
This is not the time to be creative. But it's a good thing that you posted this, as you'll stop playing hands like this in the future and it should help your results, because this really is a dreadful way to play with one pair and over half your money in the pot.

Something like 87s will beat you 22% of the time here. KJ will beat you 15% of the time. These numbers aren't negligible.

Jason Strasser

02-18-2005, 04:45 AM

I agree with this.

Except that [ QUOTE ]
You only have 800 behind and have 900 of your own chips in the pot.

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How many chips you put in the pot preflop shouldnt be on your mind after you make the decision to put them in. They're just in the pot now. The fact that you put them there doesnt matter.

curtains

02-18-2005, 04:50 AM

Of course it doesnt technically matter whether they came from your stack or not, but I think everyone here knows what I mean. Putting half of your stack in and not protecting it properly is not a great strategy.

Jason Strasser

02-18-2005, 04:56 AM

Of course its not good strategy, its pretty bad strategy. The hero in this hand didnt really have a good plan it seems, and if he did it wasnt thought out very well.

I wasnt tryin to be nitpicky.,.. its just that too many people actually do think that money they put in the pot on past streets should come into play, when it never really should.

curtains

02-18-2005, 05:07 AM

Yeah but in this case the player voluntarily put half his money in the pot by calling the flop.
In general this is something you shouldn't be looking to do. Probably I worded it poorly!