Do you call your KK against very probably AA all-in preflop?

[hukilai]

Party $50, 6Max table.

I am in LP with $240, and got KK, villian $140 UTG.
He raises 4, folds to me, I raise 20, he pushes. I am new to the table, but this player is OK according to my PT stats. So I am say 75% sure he has Aces.

Do I call?

[kongo_totte]

If you are 75% certain he has aces, of course you don't call. However, it would take alot for me to be 75% certain of an opponents holding online.

Being this deep-stacked, and your read of him being a good player, I probably muck this though.

[hukilai]

His VPIP is about %30, PFR is about %15, so he is not terrible.

I did not have enough time to adapt to the table, because it took me about five hands to get to $240.

The very next hand against him:

He has about $190, I have $100.

He open-raises $3 UTG, I reraise to $7 with JJ in LP, he calls.

Flop is J73 rainbow, I miniraise $6, he pushes, I call, he shows QQ.

[TheWorstPlayer]

This is an absolutely donkified play from this guy no matter what his holding is. But I don't see how you can put him on AA and only AA here. Against an unknown, I am calling every time. Against someone I have a great read on, maybe I am folding.

[TheWorstPlayer]

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The very next hand against him:

He has about $190, I have $100.


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I guess you called and saw aces. /images/graemlins/smile.gif

[hukilai]

So, eliminatign everything but AA is seeing monsters under the bed?

[hukilai]

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[TheWorstPlayer]

He's essentially pulling the move of honor. The reason why it works is because people think "Why would someone do that with AA?" so they call. And yet, "Why would someone do that with AA?" is a legitimate question and usually it is right. In my experience, this is MORE OFTEN 66, J8o, etc. but of course SOMETIMES it is AA. If you don't want the variance/want to protect your big stack (a VERY valid concern with other big stacked fish at the table) then fold. You are out a few bucks. But I think you are probably giving up EV by folding here every time.

[hukilai]

Thanks, good to know that my guts was good.

[Sponger15SB]

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I am in LP with $240


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I am new to the table

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wazza?

[Sponger15SB]

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He open-raises $3 UTG, I reraise to $7 with JJ in LP

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Raise to $10 at least..... c'mon $7!?!

[poboy]

If you are 75% sure he has Aces you don't call. I don't see how you can be this certain though, having just sat down at this table. Just going by PT stats would not be enough for me. I would've had to play against this guy before and have notes saying "ROCK" or something to that effect. Even then it would be a very difficult decision. JMO

[hukilai]

Yep, I doubled up twice in three hands after I sat down...

Probably if not that, I would not call that push.

[PoBoy321]

The only reason that I might not call this is because, given Party's structure, both you and the villain have fairly deep stacks. I would need a bit of a read here to fold this, but I do have a problem with playing a 280BB pot at a 50BB max buy-in table when I have KK and the pre-flop action went like this. You said that you've only been playing at the table a short time, but how has the villain been playing so far? Raising much pre-flop? Has he been coming over the top a lot? Have other people been coming over the top of him a lot? These are things that you need to take into consideration. If you had just bought in and had $50 behind, I'm calling this 100% of the time, but given how (relatively) deep the stacks are, I might fold here.

[warlockjd]

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PFR is about %15


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Thats usually enough info for me to call

Also, my experience is guy has aces when I am SURE he does about <25% of the time....