AKo Tag Opp

[krishanleong]

I didn't like this much. How did I do?

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Preflop: Hero is BB with K/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, A/images/graemlins/spade.gif.
UTG calls, UTG+1 calls, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">MP3 raises</font>, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, SB calls, <font color="#CC3333">Hero 3-bets</font>, UTG calls, UTG+1 folds, MP3 calls, SB calls.

Flop: (13 SB) K/images/graemlins/heart.gif, T/images/graemlins/club.gif, J/images/graemlins/club.gif <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font>
SB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">UTG raises</font>, <font color="#CC3333">MP3 3-bets</font>, SB folds, Hero calls, UTG calls.

Turn: (11 BB) 8/images/graemlins/spade.gif <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
Hero checks, UTG checks, <font color="#CC3333">MP3 bets</font>, Hero calls, UTG calls.

River: (14 BB) 2/images/graemlins/club.gif <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
Hero checks, UTG checks, <font color="#CC3333">MP3 bets</font>, Hero calls, UTG calls.

Final Pot: 17 BB

[MarkL444]

there has to be some argument for raising that turn to get UTG out. that seems right. problem is, i have no idea what to do after that.

[krishanleong]

I like this response. It means I'm not alone in not knowing what to do in this hand. /images/graemlins/smile.gif

Krishan

[DeeJ]

Worst case is MP3 has AQ AK or QK crubs. I don't think you should avoid calling down here, and bereft of reads, this is the only option to stop being beaten by KQ and AJ /images/graemlins/frown.gif

[krishanleong]

I 3-bet preflop lead the flop on a K high board and get raised, and the you put the reraiser on AJ? I can't see him having this hand.

Krishan

[PokerBob]

What about c/ring the turn to blast away UTG? MP3 could easily have KQs, no?

[PokerBob]

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there has to be some argument for raising that turn to get UTG out. that seems right. problem is, i have no idea what to do after that.

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I agree. /images/graemlins/confused.gif

[bakku]

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What about c/ring the turn to blast away UTG? MP3 could easily have KQs, no?

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MP3 could also have AQ, JJ, TT, KJs, KTs. I think hero is behind here way more often than not and I really doubt UTG is folding a hand you'd want him to fold.

[krishanleong]

Bob,

He could have KQs. But how often does he have that? And what range of hands could he have that I beat? I think a Bayesian analysis will show that this hand sucks and I'm going to lose.

Krishan

[PokerBob]

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What about c/ring the turn to blast away UTG? MP3 could easily have KQs, no?

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MP3 could also have AQ, JJ, TT, KJs, KTs. I think hero is behind here way more often than not and I really doubt UTG is folding a hand you'd want him to fold.

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Getting at least 10:1, I want him folding any A and any Q.

[spydog]

I think you played this one fine. I don't like checkraising the turn because UTG will still call his draw and MP3 will 3-bet a hand that beats you and I'm not folding.

[bakku]

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What about c/ring the turn to blast away UTG? MP3 could easily have KQs, no?

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MP3 could also have AQ, JJ, TT, KJs, KTs. I think hero is behind here way more often than not and I really doubt UTG is folding a hand you'd want him to fold.

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Getting at least 10:1, I want him folding any A and any Q.

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Any Q isn't folding especially when it's very likely he has a pair to go with it if he does have one. Any paired A is either drawing to 2 outs or to a chop.

[krishanleong]

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MP3 could also have AQ, JJ, TT, KJs, KTs.

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I wish I could do a good bayesian in my head. Truthfully I felt it was likely he had AQ since he didn't cap preflop. I really wanted to just fold the turn. He turned over AQ and MHING.

Krishan

[bakku]

Unless you knew villain has specifically AQ folding the turn would be bad. You're drawing very live to most of his possible holdings.

[krishanleong]

I didn't think you were right. But I did some bayesian and your right. I really don't think he'll have KJs, or KTs very often though. I guess it boils down to against everything but AQ you have at least 4 outs in a huge pot. I'm also being a bit results oriented in thinking he had AQ.

Krishan

[colgin]

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MP3 could also have AQ, JJ, TT, KJs, KTs. I think hero is behind here way more often than not and I really doubt UTG is folding a hand you'd want him to fold.

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I agree with you here. I don't want to pay two extra BBs when I am behind and get reraised by MP3 in order to occasionally get UTG to fold an Ace (he won't fold a Queen) that chops IF a Queen falls but who will more often only be folding hands I would like to be calling along with me.