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PokerBob

02-17-2005, 08:29 AM

Villain here is an unknown.

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Preflop: Hero is MP3 with A/images/graemlins/spade.gif, Q/images/graemlins/club.gif.
UTG calls, 3 folds, Hero raises, CO 3-bets, 3 folds, UTG calls, Hero calls.

Flop: (10.50 SB) K/images/graemlins/heart.gif, A/images/graemlins/heart.gif, 3/images/graemlins/spade.gif (3 players)
UTG checks, Hero bets, CO raises, UTG calls, Hero ????????

spydog

02-17-2005, 08:36 AM

Looks like an easy 3-bet to me.

krishanleong

02-17-2005, 08:39 AM

I think I call down here.

Krishan

jason_t

02-17-2005, 08:46 AM

3-bet.

young nut

02-17-2005, 09:02 AM

I 3-bet here and if capped, either check/call or check/fold on turn depending on read.

chief444

02-17-2005, 09:04 AM

Calls.

JoshuaD

02-17-2005, 09:10 AM

Calls. If the turn is a non-heart, I bet out and fold to a raise.

PokerBob

02-17-2005, 09:12 AM

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Calls. If the turn is a non-heart, I bet out and fold to a raise.

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Don't you want to show this down?

PokerBob

02-17-2005, 09:18 AM

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Villain here is an unknown.

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Preflop: Hero is MP3 with A/images/graemlins/spade.gif, Q/images/graemlins/club.gif.
UTG calls, 3 folds, Hero raises, CO 3-bets, 3 folds, UTG calls, Hero calls.

Flop: (10.50 SB) K/images/graemlins/heart.gif, A/images/graemlins/heart.gif, 3/images/graemlins/spade.gif (3 players)
UTG checks, Hero bets, CO raises, UTG calls, Hero 3-bets, CO caps, UTG folds

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Turn (9.75BB) (2 players): Q /images/graemlins/diamond.gif
Hero??????

JoshuaD

02-17-2005, 09:18 AM

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Calls. If the turn is a non-heart, I bet out and fold to a raise.

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Don't you want to show this down?

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You're right. I'm giving too much credit to an unknown 2/4 player here.

Check/call all the way down might be best. I'd be afraid of any aggression from UTG, especially if another heart (or broadway card ) fell.

JoshuaD

02-17-2005, 09:22 AM

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Turn (9.75BB) (2 players): Q /images/graemlins/diamond.gif
Hero??????

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That's the thing, I don't think this improved your winning chances very much. Either you're still ahead of an overaggressive AX or JJ, or you're still behind AK, AA, or KK.

I don't think that card modifies my check/call.

I'm not really happy with the way I'm advocating playing this hand though.

spydog

02-17-2005, 09:30 AM

For some reason I thought the opponent was a TAG. Against an unknown, I'm calling this one down on the turn.

TAG NOTES
Against a TAG, I still 3-bet the flop. If he's decent he will call my flop 3-bet and raise the turn with AA/KK/AK to make UTG pay with a draw. I can fold to the turn raise as he is highly unlikely to play anything. If he calls the 3-bet and calls the turn then I can be assured that I am ahead. If he caps the flop then I just call down.

chief444

02-17-2005, 09:34 AM

The nonheart Q doesn't really change much considering the play up to this point. Just check/call down. If you just called the flop raise as I think you should have then check/raising the turn would be a pretty good option since UTG would still be in. But I see no reason to spew more chips than needed here when you're most likely behind with 0-2 outs.

jason_t

02-17-2005, 09:35 AM

Now I bet/fold.

chief444

02-17-2005, 09:41 AM

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Now I bet/fold.

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He'll raise with AQ.

krishanleong

02-17-2005, 09:43 AM

The Q doesn't help you at all. Call down again. (After calling down on the flop. Everything about this hand says your beat.

Krishan

PokerBob

02-17-2005, 09:45 AM

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Villain here is an unknown.

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Preflop: Hero is MP3 with A/images/graemlins/spade.gif, Q/images/graemlins/club.gif.
UTG calls, 3 folds, Hero raises, CO 3-bets, 3 folds, UTG calls, Hero calls.

Flop: (10.50 SB) K/images/graemlins/heart.gif, A/images/graemlins/heart.gif, 3/images/graemlins/spade.gif (3 players)
UTG checks, Hero bets, CO raises, UTG calls, Hero 3-bets, CO caps, UTG folds

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Turn (9.75BB) (2 players): Q /images/graemlins/diamond.gif
Hero??????

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I checked, he bet. I called.

River: 9 /images/graemlins/diamond.gif

Hero????

chief444

02-17-2005, 09:48 AM

Again, check/call. Another AQ will raise and he's almost certainly betting whatever he's holding anyway after the aggression shown so far.

JoshuaD

02-17-2005, 10:00 AM

Again, Check-call. Even if the river was another Q, I don't think it changes the outcome of the hand.

jason_t

02-17-2005, 10:32 AM

Villian does not have AQ.

PokerBob

02-17-2005, 10:41 AM

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Villian does not have AQ.

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AQ would play EXACTLY this way.

PokerBob

02-17-2005, 10:46 AM

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Villain here is an unknown.

Party Poker 2/4 Hold'em (9 handed) converter (http://www.selachian.com/tools/bisonconverter/hhconverter.cgi)

Preflop: Hero is MP3 with A/images/graemlins/spade.gif, Q/images/graemlins/club.gif.
UTG calls, 3 folds, Hero raises, CO 3-bets, 3 folds, UTG calls, Hero calls.

Flop: (10.50 SB) K/images/graemlins/heart.gif, A/images/graemlins/heart.gif, 3/images/graemlins/spade.gif (3 players)
UTG checks, Hero bets, CO raises, UTG calls, Hero 3-bets, CO caps, UTG folds

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Turn (9.75BB) (2 players): Q /images/graemlins/diamond.gif
Hero??????

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I checked, he bet. I called.

River: 9 /images/graemlins/diamond.gif

Hero????

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Hero checks. Villain bets. Hero calls.

Villain shows 44 and Hero falls over.

chief444

02-17-2005, 10:47 AM

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Villian does not have AQ.

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Why not? /images/graemlins/confused.gif
And if you don't think he would play AQ this aggressively then why are you betting?

chief444

02-17-2005, 10:51 AM

Nice table selection. Poor seat selection. /images/graemlins/smile.gif

Nate tha' Great

02-17-2005, 10:54 AM

I don't like betting into your opponent on the flop.

ArturiusX

02-17-2005, 11:04 AM

I don't either, but I don't think a check is going to be any better.

PokerBob

02-17-2005, 11:11 AM

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Nice table selection. Poor seat selection. /images/graemlins/smile.gif

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I want him on my left I think, as he will call with ANYTHING.

I had no idea about this nut, but after this hand I had a pretty good idea what he was all about. The very next hand he had AA and flopped a set. I love poker. /images/graemlins/grin.gif

chief444

02-17-2005, 11:33 AM

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I want him on my left I think, as he will call with ANYTHING.

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I like to have an LAG on my right and I'm 3-betting preflop quite a bit. In general I like looser players (passive or aggressive) on my right and tighter ones on my left.

meep_42

02-17-2005, 12:06 PM

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I don't like betting into your opponent on the flop.

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What do you suggest? c/r to trap UTG and call down a 3-bet?

-d

PokerBob

02-17-2005, 12:13 PM

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I want him on my left I think, as he will call with ANYTHING.

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I like to have an LAG on my right and I'm 3-betting preflop quite a bit. In general I like looser players (passive or aggressive) on my right and tighter ones on my left.

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I agree that what you have stated is standard, but I think that it assumes the others at the table will let me isolate the LAG. Many Party 2/4 tables will have nimrods calling 2 cold with any 2 cards of the same color. So often it really doesn't matter where the dumdums sit, as long as it's at my table. /images/graemlins/grin.gif