Official Tilt Episode 5 discussion thread. [Archive]

TStoneMBD

02-17-2005, 05:53 PM

when nickel got his head blown off in the trailer i laughed my ass off. that would be the best scene of the entire series if it happens.

my prediction for the big game is that dmx buys into the big game with the laundering money and bankrolls miami. she goes on severe tilt which should be obvious and loses it all. the corporate guys come after dmx and miami on episode 6.

what happens to eddie is out of my vision as they can go several directions with him, but the story as i see it is as follows:

nickel is going to get his head blown off, and the "friend" of matador who is like the hotel manager is going to find out about it and do something to prevent matador from killing in the future.

matador is going to find out about eddie and the gang and come after him. eddie is going to go to the hotel manager and try to turn everest in to the law. eddie is going to have built quite a large bankroll for himself off of matadors deal with him. he will use this money in someway for the good of mankind, probably to turn matador in some way. at the end of the episodes, he will have to start over again as he spent all his winnings on something productive, possibly the debt that dmx has built, and it will end at the beginning of his journey into a legitimate poker career. the storyline in this paragraph wont come together in this episode, but in the episodes after.

SoftcoreRevolt

02-17-2005, 06:20 PM

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franky, i say. his long lost brother. turns out he's the guys that's been running the kiddie pool for years. he's trying to horn in on Everest's deal now by running .5/1 limit in the local bath house. of course everest and oneball are going to have to deal with that.

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Or perhaps he died while running next to the kiddie pool and slipped.

ed8383

02-17-2005, 06:33 PM

Was that really the Sherriff shooting someone or was it The Matador? (my memory fails me but I thought it was The Matador).

Here is what will happen. The Matador will murder either Miami or the black guy (or maybe the mom of Eddie but highly unlikely). Why do you think they show Eddie being escorted by security and his face is full of rage??

Kevmath

02-17-2005, 07:45 PM

In the trailer at the end of last week's episode, Nickel, Hawaiian shirt guy and the crooked sheriff were in the same room. Sheriff is pointing the guy in their direction and fires a shot. My guess is crooked sheriff kills Hawaiian shirt guy, and arrests Nickel for the murder.

Kevin...

Russ McGinley

02-17-2005, 07:46 PM

A lot of the predictions in this thread are really bad. I just wanted to point that out.

If anyone gets shot in the sheriff's office, it'll be Tropical Henry. Of course its possible that nobody will get shot since you hear the gunshot off camera (TV/Film Preview Trick #2).

Eddie getting pulled away by security means that something happens at the table. My first thoughts after last week's episode were that Clark would turn on the team since his backstory is the most cloudy and he is the one the writers have tried to make the least likeable of the three heroes. My thinking is that Everest, knowing about the team, approached Clark and struck a deal with him to bust the other two.

I don't predict Eddie's mom getting clipped. That doesn't make any sense. So probably it will happen.

TStoneMBD

02-17-2005, 08:02 PM

i must have missed part of this weeks trailers, or forgot about some of the important stuff, cause i just saw them again and some of the things that happen would change my predictions. oh well, i think my guesses are still pretty onkey, but its obvious that everest is on to the gang in this episode.

cwsiggy

02-17-2005, 08:09 PM

I missed some of last week. Can someone quickly tell me what's going on with the computer guys/traders bankrolling what's his name. Are they laundering $???? What is up with that??

thanks

Russ McGinley

02-17-2005, 08:15 PM

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I missed some of last week. Can someone quickly tell me what's going on with the computer guys/traders bankrolling what's his name. Are they laundering $???? What is up with that??

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Clark came up with an algorithm for a business venture with some other guys. He spent company money to play poker online and got caught and subsequently kicked out of the group. He then went back to them to get 100K to build up for the big game, but got only 20K. The guy then went to Clark and told him that some people wanted to do business with them, but only wanted to deal cash (drugs probably). They are having Clark take illegal drug money to a table, play a little, then cash out via check. Clark greased a floorman to make it all go without being noticed. The guy told Clark that they'd do a couple of test runs but apparently they only did one or two before proceeding for 200K. Clark went to cash out and thought better of it, thinking that maybe they were on to him. I can't remember off the top of my head what he did with the 200K, if anything.

Kevmath

02-17-2005, 08:30 PM

It seems that the 200k will be used to fund their entry into the big game.

Kevin...

detroitplayer

02-17-2005, 08:47 PM

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My first thoughts after last week's episode were that Clark would turn on the team since his backstory is the most cloudy and he is the one the writers have tried to make the least likeable of the three heroes. My thinking is that Everest, knowing about the team, approached Clark and struck a deal with him to bust the other two.

I don't predict Eddie's mom getting clipped. That doesn't make any sense. So probably it will happen.

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Gee. They make the first run of black guys gun slinging gangsters, and then take the black guy who is supposed to be smart and turn him into a backstabbing theif!

Phishy McFish

02-17-2005, 08:50 PM

I say one of the three turn on the other two......I say the black guy (the one who isn't DMX or Erik B. or Rakim), somehow his old "friends" that he wrote the algo. for get him in too deep and he needs to be the traitor.

The rich bastard who gets worked by the Matador and Eddie will eventually be an "enemy of my enemy is my friend" type character.......like the "white knight" in Wall Street.

Russ McGinley

02-17-2005, 09:12 PM

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My first thoughts after last week's episode were that Clark would turn on the team since his backstory is the most cloudy and he is the one the writers have tried to make the least likeable of the three heroes. My thinking is that Everest, knowing about the team, approached Clark and struck a deal with him to bust the other two.

I don't predict Eddie's mom getting clipped. That doesn't make any sense. So probably it will happen.

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Gee. They make the first run of black guys gun slinging gangsters, and then take the black guy who is supposed to be smart and turn him into a backstabbing theif!

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Tilt has tought me the valuable lesson that black guys = thugs.

Tevyee

02-17-2005, 10:15 PM

Why in the world would Eddie's mom get clipped!? By the way am I the only person feeling a vibe between the Nevada Gaming Commission Officer and that bellboy? /images/graemlins/smirk.gif

Russ McGinley

02-17-2005, 10:18 PM

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Why in the world would Eddie's mom get clipped!?

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I have no idea, but I saw it mentioned once or twice in this thread, which is why I said it would make no sense whatsoever.

Sponger15SB

02-17-2005, 10:20 PM

I swear that writers must have been watching mission impossible as they wrote the part where the fat guy throws a fire extinguisher through a fish tank to run away from nickel while they were having a reasonably normal conversation.

Rockatansky

02-17-2005, 10:39 PM

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Why in the world would Eddie's mom get clipped!? By the way am I the only person feeling a vibe between the Nevada Gaming Commission Officer and that bellboy? /images/graemlins/smirk.gif

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We have a winner!

istewart

02-17-2005, 10:44 PM

PWNED.

JupiterUWG

02-17-2005, 10:46 PM

looks like the trio's in trouble, and eddie laughs it off while the other 2 leave with no $

mostsmooth

02-17-2005, 10:46 PM

anybody see that coming?

JupiterUWG

02-17-2005, 10:47 PM

i did to a point, but not how it happened there, thought they'd take his money first and then they'd catch them after and come after them

Sponger15SB

02-17-2005, 10:53 PM

anyone else think the matador sounded like a professional wrestler when his little "WHATEVER GAVE YOU THE IDEA...." speech

mostsmooth

02-17-2005, 10:56 PM

should i watch the trailers for next week or not???!??!

Francis

02-17-2005, 10:59 PM

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should i watch the trailers for next week or not???!??!

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Not just yea, but give me a hell yea! Of course you need to watch the trailor for next week, otherwise you'll miss out on all this fun!

Dead

02-17-2005, 11:14 PM

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By the way am I the only person feeling a vibe between the Nevada Gaming Commission Officer and that bellboy? /images/graemlins/smirk.gif

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"Yeah mon!"
-Ted Lawson

ClaytonN

02-17-2005, 11:40 PM

Could anyone please give me a reader's digest summary of the episode? I'm missing/missed it.

Kevmath

02-17-2005, 11:47 PM

Gambling commision guy doesn't like chicks, gets blackmailed to keep problems within the casino quiet.
Tropical Henry admits to Nickel he was a part of Seymour's death, brings to evil sheriff.
Tropical Henry murdered by evil sheriff.
Nickel arrested for assaults from last week's show.
Matador sets up Eddie, then busts Miami, Clark and Eddie in the big game.
Malloy fires Lowball, Lowball bails out Nickel, letting him know he wants to talk.
Matador proceeds to pummel Eddie within an inch of his life.

To fill in more blanks, the show will be on a few dozen more times, it is an ESPN show after all.

Kevin...

masse75

02-17-2005, 11:50 PM

Omigod...just had an epiphany.

What if they had William Shatner as the Matador? Can you imagine HIM delivering these lines? "Whatever gave YOU the idea that you could BANG my daughter, Spock?"

Russ McGinley

02-18-2005, 12:00 AM

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Omigod...just had an epiphany.

What if they had William Shatner as the Matador? Can you imagine HIM delivering these lines? "Whatever gave YOU the idea that you could BANG my daughter, Spock?"

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LOL, that would make the show a comedy and they don't want that.

Tevyee

02-18-2005, 12:18 AM

I truly believe that was the best episode of TILT so far. I did not notice any faulty poker scripting and there was finally action! Anybody else felt like they really enjoyed the episode? /images/graemlins/grin.gif

Russ McGinley

02-18-2005, 12:20 AM

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I truly believe that was the best episode of TILT so far. I did not notice any faulty poker scripting and there was finally action! Anybody else felt like they really enjoyed the episode? /images/graemlins/grin.gif

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I agree with this, however Lee Nickel's character may qualify for the worst given dialogue in TV history. His lines are god-awful. I'm kind of glad they didn't do any crazy twists that we all talked about and just did the straight-forward thing that makes sense.

LargeCents

02-18-2005, 12:43 AM

Episode 5 is definitely the best of the series so far. They finally get to the "showdown" with the Matador they've been plotting since the start of the series. I wasn't really even watching it, I just had it playing in the background while I was debugging my friggin computer. In any case, they could've boiled the past 5 episodes into like one episode, which is why this series seems so weak and watered down.

I'm still hoping to pick up some more bankroll management wisdom regarding chili consumption. If I can just remedy that leak in my game, I might be able to afford a urinal hooker

MicroBob

02-18-2005, 12:47 AM

From what I saw (flipping back and forth between Tilt and the basketball game) I agree.
It seemed like the best episode.

I'll have to look at the game more closely to see how Miami and Clark were cheating and how Matador spotted it though.

firing lowball and NOT expecting him to turn on them would be pretty stupid though. They hopefully expect that he will want revenge....but shouldn't he be smart enough to know that they would expect that?

Doing the firing in such a way that they called Matador into the room and have Lowball sit there thinking they were canning Matador the whole time was pretty cliche and silly...but I'm used to that from this show.

It still isn't very good....but from what I saw this last episode was the best of the crap.

Phoenix1010

02-18-2005, 02:03 AM

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anyone else think the matador sounded like a professional wrestler when his little "WHATEVER GAVE YOU THE IDEA...." speech

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YES! That's exactly what I was thinking. Kinda like Macho Man Randy Savage in his prime.

fishfeet

02-18-2005, 02:10 AM

Definatly the best episode thus far. I had a feeling things were going to result as they did.. but didnt think it would happen in the manner it did.

I figured the Matador caught on to the trio after Eddie joined his side. But in fact he knew it all ahead of time.. from the first episode when Eddie and Clark had that fake fight.
So the Matador got the best of him by keep his 'ememies closer'

I really havent liked this show all that much, but I could never not watch. Im glad it appears to be getting better. Tonight certainly was.

Im rooting for Nickel and the Casino manager/president/whoever. I like their characters the most so far.

young nut

02-18-2005, 02:11 AM

I just can't help but see the similarities in the characters of Clark and Eddie related to Phil Ivey and Dutch Boyd. Ivey and Boyd were some of the young talent that ESPN showcased in the 03 WSOP, and from what I recall they really pumped those two up as being great for TV poker. It almost seems like they created the characters of Clark and Eddie off of them. Anyone else wonder this?

youngin20

02-18-2005, 02:25 AM

No, i dont see any similarity. First because phil ivey is the man and doesnt have to cheat to bust the matador. (also, i think he plays too high for the matador to be able to play.) second dutch boyd while most likely being an able pokerplayer is noodge for screwing people out of their money. while he is trying to fix this (or at least thats what i hear) he is still at fault. third, poker isnt like this. people who play poker arent brash absurd outlaw types. the best ones seem to be a bit on the dorky side. Oh yeah, and if someone ever said anything about phil iveys sweatsuit he would just stare at them until his laser eyes kicked in and they burned to death.

DesertCat

02-18-2005, 02:55 AM

This show just keeps getting worse. The kids finally get their showdown with the Matador. Remember that? The one they've been dreaming about and talking about for years. With the guy they just don't want to beat, but in some cases, kill? So what happens? They run away with their tails between their legs (abandoning the winning hand on the table) because the Matador talks mean to them! Can it get any worse? Clarke doesn't even try a flying head-butt on the Matador. Could I hate all of these charactors (except the Matador) any more?

detroitplayer

02-18-2005, 03:02 AM

I also thought it was really lame when they just up and walked out. However, they did show three cops standing there... "waiting" for the signal from Everest to move in and put em in cuffs. I am sure they knew Everest has the local PD in his back pocket.

Shoe

02-18-2005, 06:11 AM

So, they gave up that pot and walked away. Did they have any of their 500k stake left (and/or other winnings that they were allowed to keep), or did the matador get everything they had?

riffraff

02-18-2005, 06:27 AM

Matador took every last chip.

John Ho

02-18-2005, 06:32 AM

My only question is why Eddie even goes back to his Matador paid for apartment. When he gives Matador the safe signal to bet his king high flush and Matador calls out the cheating he knows his cover is blown. So going back to the apartment meant he had a death wish?

Sluss

02-18-2005, 07:32 AM

Didn't they learn anything from Rounders? Never have your whole bankroll on the table at one time!

Does it bother anyone else how Nickle reacts every time they mention his brother? He looks like Austin Powers whenever someone mentions Dr. Evil.

detroitplayer

02-18-2005, 07:55 AM

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Does it bother anyone else how Nickle reacts every time they mention his brother? He looks like Austin Powers whenever someone mentions Dr. Evil.

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I think he looks confused every time someone mentions his brother. Come to think of it, he looks confused any time someone mentions anything.

VinnyTheFish

02-18-2005, 08:43 AM

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Tropical Henry murdered by FATMAN sheriff.

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I did not know that the zoo had so much power in Vegas too!

sfwusc

02-18-2005, 08:59 AM

That was what I was thinking! Then again they all were busted once b/c they couldnt manage a bankroll. Good players that cant manage the Bankroll will have problems.

What the crap was up with him going back to the apartment? Stupid to think it was a good idea. I know I wont have gotten back with all the profit, but I wouldnt have gone back at all.

t_petrosian

02-18-2005, 09:41 AM

The show is so stupid on so many levels, it challenges an enyclopedian to be able to write enough to adequately explain just how terrible the show is - after 26 volumes he wouldn't quite be there.

That being said, why would a casino bother engaging in a cheat/scam to suck $8,000 out of a guy (first episode - the cop dude shows up with $8K) when they are raking in hundreds of thousands, if not millions per day?! Why would some legendary high-limit poker player (like Doyle, Chip, et al) who probably normally plays in the $4,000-8,000 big game bother waiting up in his penthouse suite until some loser dickweed shows up with one big bet?!?!

Is this Matador dude a freaking genius or what?? I mean, his friends tell him what cards they have, so he catalogs this and calculates his odds to catch his card when he has a drawing hand??

Why in the first episode does Lowball bring in 10 dudes to "preserve the integrity of the game (poker)" when he is in on a high-stakes scam?? Why is TJ Cloutier leaving with a tray of chips in his hand (1st episode) when it's well known he has a gambling problem and rarely leaves with chips?!

I have so many "Why's" that there simply isn't enough storage space on this server to accomodate them...however, anybody else have any similar questions about this retarded show??

As for the dude who above who called someone an idiot for thinking DMX (whoever the f*ck that is) was in the show...I doubt that is a mistake that qualifies one as being an idiot. In fact, I imagine the real idiot is a person who knows exactly what DMX (again, whoever the f*ck that is - my guess, a rap "artist) looks like such that he can categorically deny that it is DMX...

jojobinks

02-18-2005, 10:29 AM

my aren't we angry?

by the way, is it too clear to even mention that:

-the guys are gonna put together a teeny tiny little bankroll over the next coupla episodes as they try to not get killed by matador and friends.

-they'll make enough to bankroll themselves for the wsop

-they gang'll do amazingly well, but have miami and dmx bust out in the final 30 or so?

-eddie'll bust matador at the final table, probably heads up?

-in the closing 10 minutes or so, nickels will have his revenge?

unfrgvn

02-18-2005, 10:43 AM

I was trying to give this show a chance, but it may be the worst written show in the history of TV.

1. T.H. throws a fire estinguisher through a fish tank, when all he has to do is walk away. Then all of a sudden he's in Nichols apartment for no apparent reason.

2. The evil police chief caps T.H for no good reason. In his office! Why not cap Nichols and be done with it? I guess it would be bad for tourism.

3. Clarke goes back to the apartment after the Matador steals the money from his friends. Now the Matador has what should be the nut flush, IF he trusts Clark. Apprently he doesn't trust Clark because he doesn't show the hand down, he calls them cheats and takes the money. Shouldn't Clark figure out that he is on to him, too.

4. Why is there a mixture of money and chips in the "big" game? I admit I don't play in casinos much, but wouldn't it be only chips?

5. The Matador doesn't kill Clark because he's been bangine his daughter? To me, that is more reason to bury him out in the desert.

jojobinks

02-18-2005, 11:29 AM

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I was trying to give this show a chance, but it may be the worst written show in the history of TV.

1. T.H. throws a fire estinguisher through a fish tank, when all he has to do is walk away. Then all of a sudden he's in Nichols apartment for no apparent reason.

2. The evil police chief caps T.H for no good reason. In his office! Why not cap Nichols and be done with it? I guess it would be bad for tourism.

3. Clarke goes back to the apartment after the Matador steals the money from his friends. Now the Matador has what should be the nut flush, IF he trusts Clark. Apprently he doesn't trust Clark because he doesn't show the hand down, he calls them cheats and takes the money. Shouldn't Clark figure out that he is on to him, too.

4. Why is there a mixture of money and chips in the "big" game? I admit I don't play in casinos much, but wouldn't it be only chips?

5. The Matador doesn't kill Clark because he's been bangine his daughter? To me, that is more reason to bury him out in the desert.

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1. inexplicable

2. t.h. is a nobody. a lowlife. he doesn't matter. nickles is a cop. you go to jail forever for killing a cop. also, t.h. knows stuff. nickles just suspects. t.h. is more dangerous.

3. clark is the black dude. eddie is the guy you're talking about. i guess he was in denial; he was hoping everything was fine. i agree, it's hard to believe.

4. my understanding is that this isn't that unusual at extremely high stakes.

5. i agree.

also, it's not the worst written show. for that, check out just about any sitcom on network tv.

MD2020

02-18-2005, 11:37 AM

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I was trying to give this show a chance, but it may be the worst written show in the history of TV.

1. T.H. throws a fire estinguisher through a fish tank, when all he has to do is walk away. Then all of a sudden he's in Nichols apartment for no apparent reason.

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Well, you only get so many chances to film a fish tank breaking, so you do it when you can. As for going back to Nichols' apartment for "no apparent reason", did you miss the scene where Skip D. tries to kill TH? He goes back to Nichols because he knows he can't go back to Matador et al.

MicroBob

02-18-2005, 12:11 PM

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4. Why is there a mixture of money and chips in the "big" game? I admit I don't play in casinos much, but wouldn't it be only chips?

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This happens all the time.
It might be the only aspect of high-stakes poker they get correct.

I have hardly EVERY watched higher-stakes poker and ,y B&M experience is significantly less than most. I play only once a month live at the most. But I have seen some of the cash-games a couple times when the WPO swings through Tunica (in Jan...and also the mid-summer classic in Aug).

Watched a couple guys playing 100/200 triple-draw 2-7 (or whatever it's called) and they just both kept peeling off from their stack of Benjamin's.

Watched some PL Omaha with 25/50 blinds and it would be chips and cash. Lots of peeling off $1100 (or so) in bills on the river when both players were pretty much going all-in.

I've even played in piddly little 1/2 NL games where there was cash and chips in the pot at the same time.

However, for a game with $500k on the table (which I assume was the case here) I might expect them to just use high denomination chips....but that's just a guess from someone who has never seen a game even close to that large.

MicroBob

02-18-2005, 12:19 PM

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I just can't help but see the similarities in the characters of Clark and Eddie related to Phil Ivey and Dutch Boyd. Ivey and Boyd were some of the young talent that ESPN showcased in the 03 WSOP, and from what I recall they really pumped those two up as being great for TV poker. It almost seems like they created the characters of Clark and Eddie off of them. Anyone else wonder this?

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While their characters are not really the same as Ivey or Dutch there is certainly a resemblance there.
roughly the same age and appearance, etc.

Dutch was promoted by ESPN as a 23-year-old poker-prodigy and that is pretty much what they've done with Eddie ("best young talent since the Kid Ungar!!!")

Miami is kind of a Jennifer Harmon as well vaguely.

As I recall, ESPN pushed some story about how Harmon was winning in her Daddy's poker-games when she was 10...which is similar to the first episode where they established Miami as beating the 'grown-ups' since she was a little girl.

Obviously the main difference is that Ivey and Harmon are good players whereas Clark and Miami seem to have no idea what they're doing.

Dutch is obviously not such a hot player of course....and couldn't even get someone to stake him if he went on e-bay!!

MonkeeMan

02-18-2005, 12:25 PM

I've watched every episode but don't remember any reason why Lowball has been trying to run off Matador. I thought they were long time shady buddies?

At the end of #4 there was a scene where Matador is informed that Clark and Miami are ready for a game with 500,000 and the game will start at 9:00. But they don't have that kind of money until this episode. What's up?

Michael Davis

02-18-2005, 12:30 PM

I agree. This made no sense. Is Eddie really so stupid that he doesn't realize he was outted?

-Michael

MD2020

02-18-2005, 12:33 PM

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I've watched every episode but don't remember any reason why Lowball has been trying to run off Matador. I thought they were long time shady buddies?

At the end of #4 there was a scene where Matador is informed that Clark and Miami are ready for a game with 500,000 and the game will start at 9:00. But they don't have that kind of money until this episode. What's up?

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In the beginning of one of the other episodes, Lowball mentions how when TV got into golf, it cleaned the game up since everybody was making money. Before that, it was common for golfers to make deals to ensure both would get money.

I think Lowball wants Matador out because (a)there is a power struggle going on between them and (b) Lowball knows that Matador will get caught sooner or later, and he'd bring all of them down at that time.

jojobinks

02-18-2005, 12:39 PM

he wants matador out b/c of the power struggle. more specifically, lowball is the prez and no longer a player, and as such is threatened by matador's celebrity status. lowball wants to be the bigdog, and he wants the colorado to be known for being a class joint, not for being the place where the matador plays. he wants tj and "the phil's" to come play there once in a while. and matador is just scary. lowball would rather not have to erase the tapes and do other slimy stuff for him. as we all know in our "is pp rigged" discussions, there's plenty of money to be made without cheating, when you're the house.

about the 500k. sometime during episode 4, they found the info about the safedeposit box with 500k in it. that's when they set up the game. all they had to do then was triple it up and double it.

t_petrosian

02-18-2005, 01:12 PM

You guys are talking about this grand power struggle as if the show has an intelligent underlying theme. The show sucks, period, the end, end of story.

drexah

02-18-2005, 01:15 PM

I thought the fact that Eddie was telling Matador to bet his King high flush (implying eddie had the ace of spades) was absolute BULLSH*T. this was possibley the dumbest moment in the entire show...first of all..when the hand got to showdown, Matador would realize that they are all working together (if he already hadn't known). What are the three morons going to do..get up and run to the cashier, cash out, and run out of the casino? Matador would have 20 guys waiting for them to kill them and take their money. I think they could of grinded him down not just waiting for one big moronical pot that obviously showed they were working together.

Killer Mike

02-18-2005, 01:50 PM

I can't believe no one mentioned the fact that the guy from the Gaming Commission was a pole smoker. What was the point of all that? To demonstrate the Matador's uncanny Gay-dar?

And for the record, I'm pretty certain all the "Clarke is played by DMX" comments were just a joke...no one actually thinks that DMX is starring in this piece of garbage.

Also, Clarke is NOTHING like Ivey and vice versa. Ivey is the whitest black man alive (although he tries to 'represent' by wearing jersies, sweat suits, etc. at the table) wheras the Clarke character is straight-up gangster. Likewise for Eddie and Boyd. Boyd is a balding, Ivy League douchebag while they make Eddie out to be a cool, street-wise smooth-talker. Boyd couldn't land a chick like Matador's daughter with a case of roofies.

sfwusc

02-18-2005, 01:51 PM

Exactly.

Why not use eddie signs like he always does to the matador, and just wear away at him. The playing field is even then. Dont work together---that is just bad. Unless they think they arent as good as the Matador!

Next why in the world are they putting their own bankrolls at risk---stupid.

It is a show for fun i guess, b/c the poker logic doesnt make any sense.

SWUSC

jojobinks

02-18-2005, 01:51 PM

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You guys are talking about this grand power struggle as if the show has an intelligent underlying theme. The show sucks, period, the end, end of story.

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valuable contribution. thanks.

next case.

Diggslick

02-18-2005, 02:59 PM

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I can't believe no one mentioned the fact that the guy from the Gaming Commission was a pole smoker. What was the point of all that? To demonstrate the Matador's uncanny Gay-dar?

And for the record, I'm pretty certain all the "Clarke is played by DMX" comments were just a joke...no one actually thinks that DMX is starring in this piece of garbage.

Also, Clarke is NOTHING like Ivey and vice versa. Ivey is the whitest black man alive (although he tries to 'represent' by wearing jersies, sweat suits, etc. at the table) wheras the Clarke character is straight-up gangster. Likewise for Eddie and Boyd. Boyd is a balding, Ivy League douchebag while they make Eddie out to be a cool, street-wise smooth-talker. Boyd couldn't land a chick like Matador's daughter with a case of roofies.

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Am I the only one who thinks that despite the obvious racial features, Eddie is more Phil Ivey and Clarke has very much the same background as Boyd?(Clarke at Penn, Boyd done Law School at 19; Both invlolved is shady buisness deals.)

splashthepot

02-18-2005, 03:17 PM

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dude, you are right he is not DMX. He is 2PAC. You are the most uptight person on this board. Relax, my man and you'll be happier AND a better poker player.

Odogg

02-18-2005, 03:24 PM

I have to say that I am disappointed that no one is truly breaking this situation down.

They had to be prepared for the case of them getting caught. If the tells were THAT obvious then their planning sucks ass.

Why the hell would they need to cheat in a hand in which he has a K high flush and the black dude held the nuts? Eddie did every bit of what was needed by telling the Matador that he had the Ace. What the hell is the point of checking to the chick to bet out? If the black dude leads out. The girl folds Matador assuming the nuts would go all in anyway. Sorry but that is stupid.

Ok now to the real problem. They sat down with 500k. They beat the crap out of the entire table and probably have at least doubled up to that point. So in the hand in which they could have easily busted Matador they over cheat. I am paraphrasing here.

Matador: "I have hand which I should go all in with but you and you are cheating."

Chick: "I am not cheating."

Matador: "Yes you are. If you don't give me this pot and your stakes we are going to take you upstairs and review the tape."

Chick and Black dude get up and leave. Sorry I would have a contingency plan in my pocket. If I put myself in that situation with 500k of my money and a ridiculous pot like that not to mention the money I pimped from the rest of the table, I have to be willing to die for the cause. I will be going out fighting.

But no, they say ok here is my 1 million. I am out of here.

They built a 500k bankroll and seemed to do that rather quickly. Why the hell do they really need to bust Matador. Take the extra 2 months or what ever and build your roll up to a couple of million and live life.

Sorry but that was the worst thing I have ever seen. If it comes a time I have to cheat a guy with a K high flush when I hold the Ace high flush then sorry I don't want to play this game anymore.

Also they brought out chips to the table. Why are they using cash?

I think the show is fun because we can make fun of just how stupid the situations are.

Voltron87

02-18-2005, 05:06 PM

This show has turned into an absolute train wreck.

Sadat X

02-18-2005, 05:48 PM

Russ McGinley

02-18-2005, 06:02 PM

Like Woody Paige says, "You guys are missing the point here."

- Miami bet because she had two-pair and they knew the Matador would know this (he has a king-high flush) and raise her. Eddie would then fold and Clark would go all-in. Matador would call believing Eddie folded the A /images/graemlins/spade.gif. I think afterwards Eddie would try and tell Matador that he was holding the A /images/graemlins/club.gif or something and just got his signal wrong.

- The fire extinguisher stunt was just that: a stunt. Him just wandering off is boring, so they threw in a stunt. I also agree with someone from earlier who said the writers must have just watched M:I before writing that scene because it looked very similar.

- The whole deal with the GC guy was to show that The Matador is great at reading people. It was a very weakly written break because everybody knew that after he shrugs off the golf clubs and the Labatt Blue Bear's girlfriend, they were obviously going that direction.

- Matador not killing Eddie because of his daughter is likely due to the fact that he realizes she might have feelings for him. Also, what were the odds she really WAS his daughter?

- Eddie going back to the apartment was dumb of him. There is no way he would not know he was outed and Matador was just waiting to get him alone somewhere to beat the sh<font color="black"></font>it out of him.

- TH getting killed right there in the sheriff's office with a hundred cops 10 feet away? I guess the sheriff will somehow get a gun planted in TH's hand despite the fact that he had about 3 seconds after the gunshot before cops swarm the room.

- Chris Bauer, who plays Lee Nickel, needs serious work on his facial expressions. Al Pacino couldn't make this dialogue appear normal so I won't blame him there, but his expressions after getting punched or thrown into something are more comical than anything.

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That being said, why would a casino bother engaging in a cheat/scam to suck $8,000 out of a guy (first episode - the cop dude shows up with $8K) when they are raking in hundreds of thousands, if not millions per day?! Why would some legendary high-limit poker player (like Doyle, Chip, et al) who probably normally plays in the $4,000-8,000 big game bother waiting up in his penthouse suite until some loser dickweed shows up with one big bet?!?!

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The Matador was upset about this. The pitboss (bald guy) got demoted to the slots because he brought this guy in. Don't you remember the "I wipe my ass with eight grand" line?

- I think the actor who plays Todd Williams looks a lot like DMX. If you didn't know any better, you might think he was DMX.

- They didn't bankroll themselves. Seymour had $502K in a safety deposit box which they gathered.

This show will not win any Emmy's anytime soon. I enjoy the show for what it is. I also am looking forward to the dynamic duo of Nickel/Lowball and their potential hookup with the Three Stooges.

Also, I agree that part of the fun of watching this show is making fun of it. Its our own MST3K.

Army Eye

02-18-2005, 06:21 PM

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They built a 500k bankroll and seemed to do that rather quickly. Why the hell do they really need to bust Matador. Take the extra 2 months or what ever and build your roll up to a couple of million and live life.

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They all want revenge on Matador for past times he has busted them. That's been pretty well established.

tek

02-18-2005, 07:25 PM

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Why is TJ Cloutier leaving with a tray of chips in his hand (1st episode) when it's well known he has a gambling problem and rarely leaves with chips?!

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He was on his way to the Craps table /images/graemlins/laugh.gif

tek

02-18-2005, 07:36 PM

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My only question is why Eddie even goes back to his Matador paid for apartment. When he gives Matador the safe signal to bet his king high flush and Matador calls out the cheating he knows his cover is blown. So going back to the apartment meant he had a death wish?

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What's even more stupid is when he walks in he sees a couple of goons sitting there with the Matador. Does Eddie say to himself "What's wrong with this picture?". No, he just keeps walking in...

tek

02-18-2005, 07:37 PM

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Miami is kind of a Jennifer Harmon as well vaguely.

As I recall, ESPN pushed some story about how Harmon was winning in her Daddy's poker-games when she was 10...which is similar to the first episode where they established Miami as beating the 'grown-ups' since she was a little girl.

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In arecent interview she said she thinks Miami is somewhat based on her.

http://www.pokerlizard.com/

MicroBob

02-18-2005, 08:49 PM

poker-lizard interviewed me as well...and I told them that I thought that the black-thug 'pick up your string-bet and lets finish the hand' guy in the first episode was based on me.

masse75

02-18-2005, 10:19 PM

For those of us on the fringes of the poker world, what's up with the Dutch bashing? I'm not defending him at all...just would like to know what I've missed.

MagnoliasFM

02-18-2005, 10:34 PM

My favorite scene from Episode 5 was when Eddie got rock-bottomed by the Matador and his body hit the glass table in slow motion, and they showed a Card Player magazine flying in the air. I couldn't stop laughing.

MicroBob

02-18-2005, 10:38 PM

go ahead and do a search of 'pokerspot'

What ESPN fails to mention in their little, gay bits on the "crew" is that Boyd previously operated an online site called pokerspot that went under. Quite a few players lost money. Dutch kept promising over and over that he would pay them back but most were not to my knowledge.

A poster named MsSunshine on here lost $56k....but I believe there was a more recent thread where he seemed to indicate that he finally received some of his money back a few years belatedly...not sure though.

Dutch is well known as a liar and a general scum-bag....and I don't particularly care for the way ESPN worshiped his supposed youthful-genius ways without even mentioning the negative about him.

More recently, he went on e-bay to try to get someone to stake him for a major tournament. The fact that he couldn't just ask a fellow poker-player is indicative of how generally disliked his is in most of the poker world imo.

Others on here (who know more about major-tourney play than I do) have said that for any respected player it shouldn't be too tough to get staked without having to go on e-bay.

That's the cliff-notes version anyway....you can search for 'pokerspot'...and even search the archives for mssunshine's posts on pokerspot I suppose if you really want all the gory details.

(FWIW - I wasn't even playing poker when pokerspot was around so I was completely unaffected by the disaster).

3rdEye

02-19-2005, 02:10 AM

Tilt still sucks.

illab

02-19-2005, 02:51 AM

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- The whole deal with the GC guy was to show that The Matador is great at reading people. It was a very weakly written break because everybody knew that after he shrugs off the golf clubs and the Labatt Blue Bear's girlfriend, they were obviously going that direction.

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Thank You, I was trying to remember where I'd seen her before

fingokra

02-19-2005, 06:09 PM

These three brillant players want to get rich and even more importantly hurt the Matador. Why don't they just win all they want (doesn't seem to be a problem) anywhere but in the Matador's fixed game on his home court? Then the three of them wait to catch him alone in a parking lot and kick the shitt out of him, steal his money, and dump his lifeless corpse in a hole in the sand.

This plan is much better. Less risk of being caught. More Money. More pain for Matador, atleast physically. Now they can be the team that runs the Casino

By the way remember to Fight the fog,lol

italianstang

02-19-2005, 06:28 PM

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Why don't they just win all they want (doesn't seem to be a problem) anywhere but in the Matador's fixed game on his home court? Then the three of them wait to catch him alone in a parking lot and kick the shitt out of him, steal his money, and dump his lifeless corpse in a hole in the sand.

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Because he lured them (the young bulls) in to the ring, then he threatened to have them arrested and took their money. In order to kick his ass in a parking lot, they would have to lure HIM outside, but THEY are not the Matador. Which leaves them with very few luring skills at all.

MicroBob

02-19-2005, 07:18 PM

They really need to step out of the kiddie pool and start making some moves.

feelixthegreek

02-19-2005, 09:37 PM

I slogged through ten pages of posts and not one person commented on the single best shot of the whole series, the one that demonstartes that someone behind the scenes has a sense of humor about this silly show:

Slow zoom in on a bloodied Eddie, after getting knocked through the glass table. Clearly visible under his leather jacket is his T-Shirt, which reads "Pimp."

Tyler

02-19-2005, 10:22 PM

When is the matador going to say 'SCHABOING!' or whatever... I remember him saying that in a premiere for the first or second episode. It sounded awesome, I've been l@@king forward to it every episode but he hasn't said it so far =(

schmoe

02-21-2005, 03:05 AM

Another strange quirk.

Clark and Miami tucked tail the instant the Matador accused them of cheating. Why? Clark and Miami both knew that the Matador was cheating as well. Any evidence of Clark and Miami signaling would also show Matador, Eddie, and his buddies signaling. Clark and Miami should have said fine, 'you want to take us down, we'll take you down'.

Am I missing something here?

Russ McGinley

02-21-2005, 03:07 AM

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Another strange quirk.

Clark and Miami tucked tail the instant the Matador accused them of cheating. Why? Clark and Miami both knew that the Matador was cheating as well. Any evidence of Clark and Miami signaling would also show Matador, Eddie, and his buddies signaling. Clark and Miami should have said fine, 'you want to take us down, we'll take you down'.

Am I missing something here?

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During The Matador's little speech about them cheating, he said "And I think we'll find that my camera was malfunctioning" or something like that. Obviously he and the casino owner would have disappeared any tapes that show Matador cheating.

Shoe

02-21-2005, 03:46 AM

And considering that he has the police (and part of the gaming commission paid off), I think they would have overlooked his cheating.

masse75

02-21-2005, 11:01 PM

I'm really surprised that no one on this board has recommended that the 3 Stooges take the Matador out "ninja-style."

When I heard that quote in episode one, I knew this was on the level of WWE.

The-Matador

02-22-2005, 05:42 AM

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Why don't they just win all they want (doesn't seem to be a problem) anywhere but in the Matador's fixed game on his home court? Then the three of them wait to catch him alone in a parking lot and kick the shitt out of him, steal his money, and dump his lifeless corpse in a hole in the sand.

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Because he lured them (the young bulls) in to the ring, then he threatened to have them arrested and took their money. In order to kick his ass in a parking lot, they would have to lure HIM outside, but THEY are not the Matador. Which leaves them with very few luring skills at all.

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I actually LOLed reading that. Simply awesome.