Big Blind play

[TheAmp]

Here is a hand from a 50+5 at party.

SB blind made a small raise at my 88. I have him covered and he didnt push - therefore I have resonable folding equity. No speacial ream on him. Not likely he has a big hand either - he doesnt have to be too smart, since a push looks like a steal anyway.
He can make his raise with a wide range of hands: Ax, Kx, meduim-small PP or even trash hands. therefore I wasnt folding.

Would you push here or call? I really dont like calling cos I lose folding equity, and I never know where I am at with any overcards on the flop.

On the otherhand, I can use my position if I call. If he doubles up from my stack it really hurts.
Only calling may save some chips, but IMO pushing is a much better play - folding equity and I have a good racing hand.


Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t100 (5 handed) converter (http://www.selachian.com/tools/bisonconverter/hhconverter.cgi)

SB (t1498)
Hero (t2552)
UTG (t3120)
MP (t2510)
Button (t320)

Preflop: Hero is BB with 8/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, 8/images/graemlins/heart.gif. UTG posts a blind of t100. MP posts a blind of t200.
<font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">SB raises to t425</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to t2552 (All-In)</font>, SB calls t1073 (All-In).

Flop: (t4350) K/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, 4/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, K/images/graemlins/heart.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players, 2 all-in)</font>

Turn: (t4350) J/images/graemlins/club.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players, 2 all-in)</font>

River: (t4350) 5/images/graemlins/club.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players, 2 all-in)</font>

Final Pot: t4350

[TruFloridaGator]

Would definately just call because probably at best your a coinflip. I would use position after that flop &amp; if he checks ,bet in to him hard. You would have taken it down there most likely. Then if you get raised or called, then you have to slow down.

[curtains]

Easy allin IMO. SB also is raising enough to fold. Whereas it may be a trap, most of the time it won't be.

[Irieguy]

You have 25.5 Big Blinds with 5 players left in a tournament that pays 3 spots. This is a clear fold.

95% of players call or push here. The other 5% beat SNGs.

Irieguy

[TruFloridaGator]

I would definately fold if it's raised and I wasn't be in position. I think it's definately worth a call because of position.

[lorinda]

One of my favorite questions I'm afraid.

"Is there any reason why you need to win this pot?"

Lori

[The Yugoslavian]

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You have 25.5 Big Blinds with 5 players left in a tournament that pays 3 spots. This is a clear fold.

95% of players call or push here. The other 5% beat SNGs.

Irieguy

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Oh man, this is just too much fun.

How much does it suck to be in the 5% curtains? /images/graemlins/wink.gif

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Yugoslav

[SuitedSixes]

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One of my favorite questions I'm afraid.

"Is there any reason why you need to win this pot?"

Lori

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Lori (as usual) brings up a great point. I think this is another one of those points that separates the winning players from the gamblers. Winning tournaments is about seeing the big picture, and letting small, inconsequential pots go is surely one of the big steps towards becoming a great player.

[curtains]

btw what the heck are blinds? I assumed it was 100-200 because it said someone posted 200, but then I see up top it says Blind - 100.

If someone raises to 425 on 50-100 blinds , no way they are folding anymore for 1k more.

[The Yugoslavian]

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btw what the heck are blinds? I assumed it was 100-200 because it said someone posted 200, but then I see up top it says Blind - 100.

If someone raises to 425 on 50-100 blinds , no way they are folding anymore.

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I hope you look at the blinds when you're at the table, otherwise I think you'll need an infinite bankroll for those $215s /images/graemlins/wink.gif.

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Easy allin IMO. SB also is raising enough to fold. Whereas it may be a trap, most of the time it won't be.


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Would you like to change your final answer? Or use an Irie lifeline??

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Yugoslav

[bball904]

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You have 25.5 Big Blinds with 5 players left in a tournament that pays 3 spots. This is a clear fold.

95% of players call or push here. The other 5% beat SNGs.

Irieguy

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I agree that this is a fold if it puts most of your stack at risk. However, with an over 1k chip cushion on the small blind, I tend to disagree that this is a "clear" fold. I'm on the fence and think it depends on your read of the small blind.

Maybe this type of situation is why my ITM is lower than I think it should be, but also why my % of 1st's is much higher than 2nd's and 3rd's. There is more to play for than just being top 3.

[curtains]

Dude read the opriginal question, It says someone posts a 100 and a 200 blind. It says MP which makes no sense, but when I saw that I assumed blinds were 100-200. I think its a reasonable assumption on my part.

[The Yugoslavian]

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Dude read the opriginal question, It says someone posts a 100 and a 200 blind. It says MP which makes no sense, but when I saw that I assumed blinds were 100-200. I think its a reasonable assumption on my part.

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Okay. You're a genius and one of the smartest people in the world.

Now, how about a toke on this here peace pipe, /images/graemlins/wink.gif.

So what's ur answer if it's on level 4 with 50/100 blinds?

Yugoslav

[curtains]

Then Im a lot more likely to fold, because they are probably calling for sure and it's less likely that I'm dominating them. Once the blinds are 100-200 they are going to start raising with much weaker hands than usual.
I would fold if they were 50-100, but hard for me to justify saying that Id fold then, and say its an easy allin if its 100-200.

[TheAmp]

Thanks everybody for answering.

This is an important lesson for me.

By the way, sorry I didn't post "what he had" info. It seems beside the point, and I want to concentrate on the decision. But I must admit its fun to find out "what happened"...and having fun is underrated isn't it?

SB won the pot with AJs...I won third place.

Now the real question is:
If "results don't matter" as I claimed, would I post that hand if I won?

Hmmmm