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Kevmath
02-16-2005, 06:25 PM
Taken from his most recent blog entry:

Read a post that Paul Phillips made about me where he says that I'm not totally irredeemable. Thanks Paul... if I ever redeem myself we'll have to play some Scrabble sometime... speaking of people who think I'm a POS, I had a pretty lame interaction with Greg Raymer at the Copenhagen tournament. I'll tell you all about it in another post. Suffice it to say that there are plenty of people out there who don't like me that I like, respect, and sometimes even admire. Greg Raymer isn't on that list... he's a great player I'm sure, but personality-wise I pretty much think he's an ass. I'll go even one step further than that and say that I don't believe that Greg is happy with life, I definitely don't believe his WIFE is happy with life, and I don't think that he's a very esteemable person in real life. Like I said, I could be wrong.

Kevin...
Greg (FossilMan)
02-16-2005, 06:37 PM
lol.

Pot, black, etc.

I guess he wishes that instead of blowing him off, I'd told him off for his thievery.

Later, Greg Raymer (FossilMan)
AceHigh
02-16-2005, 07:39 PM
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I'll go even one step further than that and say that I don't believe that Greg is happy with life, I definitely don't believe his WIFE is happy with life

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Yeah being the champ and $5million richer would make me unhappy too...lol.

My guess is Dutch is the unhappy one.
TheBeat
02-16-2005, 08:51 PM
I would not be happy if I won 5 million and got 1.2 million either.
jason_t
02-16-2005, 09:05 PM
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I guess he wishes that instead of blowing him off, I'd told him off for his thievery.

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Are you referring to this (http://www.rakefree.com/faq11.htm#faq)?
Easy E
02-16-2005, 10:52 PM
PokerSpot is what Fossilman was referring to.
Easy E
02-16-2005, 10:54 PM
I'm sure you'll recover- maybe you can come in 10th next year and avoid all of the trauma and pressure.
Rushmore
02-17-2005, 12:55 AM
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Read a post that Paul Phillips made about me where he says that I'm not totally irredeemable. Thanks Paul... if I ever redeem myself we'll have to play some Scrabble sometime... speaking of people who think I'm a POS, I had a pretty lame interaction with Greg Raymer at the Copenhagen tournament. I'll tell you all about it in another post. Suffice it to say that there are plenty of people out there who don't like me that I like, respect, and sometimes even admire. Greg Raymer isn't on that list... he's a great player I'm sure, but personality-wise I pretty much think he's an ass. I'll go even one step further than that and say that I don't believe that Greg is happy with life, I definitely don't believe his WIFE is happy with life, and I don't think that he's a very esteemable person in real life. Like I said, I could be wrong.

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Could you please link this material?

I ask because it seems that even a tool like Dutch Boyd would be less than eager to post something so abject in a public place.

There's no point in dissecting the words; the reasons for my assessment should be obvious enough.

I'm honestly just wondering about the credibility of the source.
jason_t
02-17-2005, 01:14 AM
Is there any evidence that Dutch Boyd was actually involved in the PokerSpot fiasco? Does Greg (or someone) know more that would shed light on this subject?
Kevmath
02-17-2005, 01:41 AM
Dutch's blog (http://www.dutchboyd.com/blog/blog.html)

It's paragraph 6 that I posted.

Kevin...
Stew
02-17-2005, 01:53 AM
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Is there any evidence that Dutch Boyd was actually involved in the PokerSpot fiasco? Does Greg (or someone) know more that would shed light on this subject?

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What? Yes, he is the self-admitted owner of PokerSpot, there's not much more evidence needed.
DesertCat
02-17-2005, 02:06 AM
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I would not be happy if I won 5 million and got 1.2 million either.

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Fortunately Greg bought a third of himself in addition to his players share, so he made several times more than that. I guess it could be worse, at least he's not some no-life loser jealously posting inaccurate drivel driven by some wierd reverse hero worship.
jason_t
02-17-2005, 02:10 AM
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What? Yes, he is the self-admitted owner of PokerSpot, there's not much more evidence needed.

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Yes, I am well aware of that. I meant, and I think it is clear given my initial post, that I wanted to know if anyone had evidence implicating Dutch Boyd as actually stealing the funds rather than the reported story that PokerSpot's credit processors had trouble.
Greg (FossilMan)
02-17-2005, 09:44 AM
Dutch took the player's money and used it to run the site. When he still failed to turn a profit, he lost his money, his investor's money, AND the player's money.

It is quite clear that the player's money should have been kept in a separate account, and never touched other than for taking out the money that belonged to the house (i.e., the rake). Instead, Dutch raided this money to keep himself afloat longer before going under. The player's were made unwilling investors, with no upside in that investment.

Using money that you're holding in trust is the same as stealing it.

Later, Greg Raymer (FossilMan)
daveymck
02-17-2005, 10:06 AM
Didnt he also give assurances that there were no problems when the cashouts started to bounce meaning some players put in more money and others kept on playing there wasting their time and losing their winnings, I think MS Sunshine came in the latter category.

I dont even know why he is bothering with rakefree cos its going to fall on its backside as whatever he does and he may be a fantastic guy full of good intentions its tough his rep is shot to pieces whatever he does. Once a business fails getting a new one up with the same people running it is always difficult in poker or any other business.

However he created the crew and is obviously an arse.
pokerswami
02-17-2005, 02:44 PM
Commenting on Greg's wife is completely out of the bounds of decent behavior.
This lack of regard likely reflects his attitude towards anyone other than himself.
Poor recommendation for someone who seeks to act as a fiduciary and/or the manager of a business that includes others' investments.
coolhandkuhn
02-17-2005, 04:31 PM
Post deleted by Mat Sklansky
Myrtle
02-17-2005, 06:39 PM
Let's play the popular word association game........

What do "Dutch Boyd" and "Sociopath" have in common?
LockForward
02-17-2005, 07:37 PM
nice affiliate link
CCass
02-18-2005, 12:12 AM
Greg:

If the POS known as Dutch Boyd didn't like me, I would consider it a testament to my good name. /images/graemlins/grin.gif
El Dukie
02-18-2005, 02:59 AM
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Commenting on Greg's wife is completely out of the bounds of decent behavior.


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I know! Let's start a thread about Dutch Boyd's Momma! Dutch's Momma is so ugly she.... Oh, wait, I forgot that some of us like to display class. /images/graemlins/grin.gif
CORed
02-18-2005, 05:19 PM
To hell with class. I like the idea of a Dutch Boyd's Momma thread. Will the censoreware let me say hell?
BWebb
02-19-2005, 05:47 PM
Boyd can be a jackass sometimes, but he's right about the tourny's in Fresno. I play at Club One alot, but the tourny structures are horrendous.
wacki
03-24-2005, 04:36 PM
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I would not be happy if I won 5 million and got 1.2 million either.

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???????

That doesn't mean what I think it means does it?
MaxPower
03-24-2005, 04:51 PM
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Let's play the popular word association game........

What do "Dutch Boyd" and "Sociopath" have in common?

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I think you hit the nail on the head there. I have know a few sociopaths in my time and he has it written all over him.

Wasn't this blog entry made shortly before Dutch was comitted? Is he in any position to talk about who is happy or not?
PukaPlaya
03-24-2005, 07:54 PM
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Wasn't this blog entry made shortly before Dutch was comitted? Is he in any position to talk about who is happy or not?

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He was comitted?? As in cuckoo for cocoa puffs comitted???

When and how did this happen?
sarahbellum
03-24-2005, 09:26 PM
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He was comitted?? As in cuckoo for cocoa puffs comitted???

When and how did this happen?

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Read the entry in his blog from 2.22.2005.
BigBaitsim (milo)
03-24-2005, 10:12 PM
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Using money that you're holding in trust is the same as stealing it.

Later, Greg Raymer (FossilMan)

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My wife is also an attorney (although, she isn't quite as good at poker as Greg). Attorneys are absolutely required to keep all unearned monies in a seperate trust account. Raiding that account has gotten many attorneys disbarred. The players' money was to be held in trust until earned (through rake). When he raided that trust, he violated his duty to his customers. Very not cool, and worthy of disdain.
ttleistdci
03-24-2005, 11:08 PM
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Wasn't this blog entry made shortly before Dutch was comitted? Is he in any position to talk about who is happy or not?

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He was comitted?? As in cuckoo for cocoa puffs comitted???

When and how did this happen?

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He is bipolar aka manic depressive. They have very high highs and even lower lows. Both my grandmother and step-mom are bipolar...definitely some serious business.

Dutch has been "arrested" (or pretty much just escorted to the hospital) and committed twice in the last month. In his blog, he says he's actually leaving Cali to move back home hoping to relieve some of the stress (his ex girlfriend mostly) that is triggering these episodes.
ShawnHoo
03-25-2005, 02:56 PM
That guy sure is a trainwreck.
ttleistdci
03-25-2005, 03:03 PM
It's too bad too.
You can tell from a lot of what he writes that he's really passionate about the game. Sucks for him that he got caught up in the money fiasco he did before and that his health has taken some of his concentration away from the game.

I know I'll get flamed for sticking up for Dutch, but oh well. I'd rather appreciate the guy for being a poker player, and taking it seriously, rather than hating him for stupid mistakes he's made in the past.
AceHigh
03-25-2005, 03:25 PM
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Sucks for him that he got caught up in the money fiasco

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The guy is a thief. He didn't get "caught up in ", he made the fiasco. Big difference.

I'm not so sure he all that good at poker. A lot of times players that promote themselves the most, need to promote themselves because they need money from others.

Sounds too me, like Dutch is taking the easy way out and blaming others for his failures, again. I doubt he has the discipline to be a successful pro poker player.