Boxing this weekend.

[partygirluk]

Anyone got some good bets?

[Tuds75]

Not much this weekend, but in the coming months these look like good bets:

Manny Pacquiao at even money is good bet. He is a fierce young fighter who KO'd Barrea and Barrea beat Morrales twice (both fights very close). Manny is younger then Barrea and throws more punches then Barrea. This will be an offesive fight and Manny's offense will control Morrales.
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Hasim Rahman +250 to +350 (depending on the site). Rahman has looked very good in his last fights. Rahman has more succes against taller fighters and fighters who punch more then they box and Klitschko fits both those definitions perfectly. Don't forget Rahman is the only person to every knockdown David Tua (it came just before the bell of the last rd and ref ruled that the punch came after the bell, even though it didn't), he has real power with some boxing skills mixed in. Klitschko's akward style leaves himself open to big punches. Against Corey Sanders he was wobbled at least 4 times by a Sanders punch. Even Danny Williams was able to connect with a few big punches against Klitschko a couple of months ago. Rahman is younger, stronger, and has more skill then Sanders. So expect Klitschko to lose by KO or TKO. Klitschko and his younger brother don't do well in the later rounds of fights and actually that is when Rahman does his best work. FYI this fight is being kicked around for May 5th.

Anybody else have any opions on these or other fights coming up, I would love to hear them.

Tuds

[lefty rosen]

I agree with the Pacman pick I liked him over Barrera. I don't agree with Rahman, he just plain sucks.

[judgesmails]

Not good bets. But if you need action, I would take a small flyer on Eastman vs. Hopkins at about +600. There is a little a value in a live dog here. Hopkins is old and will lose all at once one of these days - and soon. Eastman is solid and could make a game of it.

Manny Pacquiou (spelling ?) is a nice short price favorite, -114 vs. Eric Morales in about a month. Should be a great fight, but I think the matchup is a bad one for Morales. Manny is too active and powerfull for him.

Please keep in mind I have missed my last three fight picks when considering my opinion. Good luck.

[partygirluk]

Barrera was really out of sorts that night. Did you see Pac v Marquez? Not that impressive. I would be tempted to put some $ on Morales.

[asb165]

Not that you can bet on them, but I'm going to watch the fights at the Blue Horizon in Philadelphia tomorrow night. It's supposed to be one of the top fight venues in the country, albeit a little ghetto. I think Tommy Hearns' son is fighting.

[CCx]

you'll have a great time there, its not ghetto at all

[asb165]

I didn't really think it's ghetto-I'm actually really juiced to go. My father-in-law used to do some legal work for Joe and Mavis Frazier and hung out there a lot. Ring Magazine voted it the top place to see a fight a couple years ago. Should be awesome. I hope my wife doesn't mind a little blood splatter on her though; we're going to be pretty close.

[Tuds75]

Bernard Hopkins; it is hard to bet against a fighter who hasn't lost in over a decade, even if he is 40. And he has done his best work against the best opponets in the last 3-4 years. The next time Hopkins will lose will be in 2006 against Jermain Taylor.

Back to Hasim Rahman. He lost a few fight after this ego got out of control after this run as Heavyweight champion. EVERY boxing expert who has seen Rahman fight in the last year has agreed that he looked like the best fighter in the heavyweight Div. (yes he has been fighting lower level fighters, but he did the job asked of him). Klitscko is too rigid a fighter. He just throw and throws until his opponet falls down. Rahman will just step aside and land a monster counter punch to end the fight, Bank on it.

Kostya Tszyu (-250) over Ricky Hatton in June is a great bet. Tszyu might be the best fighter in a LOADED weight class. He dismantled both Sharmba Mitchell and Zab Judah in less then 4 rounds. He might be older but his power and hand speed are amazing. Also the fight is in England so the bet-happy english fans of Hatton will drive the number on Tszyu down. Watch the odds come down as the fight approaches and then jump on Tzyau for size.

Opinions?

[Ikim322]

Just wanted to add in a couple counter arguments perhaps.

I doubt Hopkins will be fighting in 2006. He has repeatedly said he will retire before 41 and he is 40 right now. Anyways, you're probably right about it not being wise to bet against a guy that hasn't lost in a decade. But he is 40, has even admitted himself that he "wakes up later" now, might be a little too self satisfied after his last win over oscar, and the guy he's fighting is a true contending middleweight unlike oscar and trinidad. Plus Eastman's a huge betting underdog. So I'd say a fair argument can be made for betting for Eastman.

I definitely disagree with your Rahman analysis. Any guy can "look like the best" against crap opponents. And that's who he's been fighting. Look at Tyson. Ko'd everyone round 1 when he was up against crap opposition. Then beaten to hell by Lewis. Rahman does have a better chance than most because of his power, but Klitschko isn't an overly aggressive fighter who leaves himself open to counter shots a lot. Any heavyweight would have been caught by a few shots from Corrie by the way he was fighting against Klitschko (that guy has really fast hands for a big guy if nothing else). Klitscko may not be pretty in style, but he's quite effective at using his physical advantages. His awkward style is what makes him underrated by the press and viewers like you and me.

Anyways good luck betting.

[Tuds75]

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Any guy can "look like the best" against crap opponents. And that's who he's been fighting.

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Funny how you use this quote about Rahman competition when the exact can be said of Klitschko's competition. Sanders was very out of shape not mention he was pushing 40. Kirk Johnson ate all his talent away, and Danny Williams got VERY fortunate against Mike Tyson, and then parlayed that into a title shot. Tell me one decent fighter Klitschko has beat, can't name one? On second thought tell me one good fighter besides Lennox Lewis and Chris Byrd that Klitschko has fought. Rahman has fought about every legit heavyweight in the division (excluding Tyson).

It is funny how everyone now thinks Vitali Klitschko is the such a great heavyweight. He got to that point because he lost to Lewis, but showed AMAZING heart. Still a fat, out of shape, unfocused Lennox Lewis beat Klitschko, while a fat, out of shape, unfocused Lennox Lewis was KO'd by Rahman.

Tuds

*PS I love to see this boxing chat lets keep it up

[ThaHero]

I was thinking of dropping about $40 bucks on Eastman. I know, doesn't sound like much to some of you high rollers right? lol. But I saw Roy Jones's fall off and considered that maybe Hopkins isn't too far behind. Factor in the EA Sports curse(Jones was on the cover of Fight Night '04 and Hopkins graces the cover of Fight Night '05) and I think it's a decent bet. Don't laugh at my superstitions lol. But yeah I'm not sure who's fighting on the undercard but I might bet on Eastman. Does anyone know the odds on this fight? I just know Eastman is the underdog.

[partygirluk]

I like your thinking about Tsyzu, but not about B-Hop ov Klit.

[Ikim322]

Tuds -

I never said Vitali was this great unbeatable champ. Hell I agree with most when they say he's one of the weakest champs in recent history (the other "champs" like Ruiz and Lamon 'get beat up til the other guy falls' Brewster don't even count). But you can't ignore his physical advantages over pretty much everyone else and unlike other huge guys from the past like whittaker, grant, and McCline (who's gotten better), he uses his size WELL. Like Lewis did except of course Lewis in his prime was a much better boxer and a harder hitter.

Now you say Rahman KO'd an unfocused Lewis. Yep he did and that's why I give Rahman credit at a 'chance' to catch Klitschko. But that is only IF Klitschko comes in unfocused himself. But when have you seen that? Say what you want about him, but he has never come in undertrained or unfocused. As I said, Klitschko makes it a point to not leave himself open to counter shots. In fact, he's overly cautious if anything for a big heavyweight.

You compared recent opponents. But come on be reasonable. Hindsight is a double edged sword. Corrie Sanders was not a huge underdog BEFORE the fight as people made it out to be AFTER the fight. He was very much a live dog because of his hand speed which he has proved to be very very fast. Yet Klitschko completely took him apart after a shaky first round. Yes Johnson was a fat lard so I won't even touch on him. And then we have Danny Williams. Yes he was simply outclassed, but again, some people (not as much as with Corrie) still gave him a shot to 'catch' Klitschko. But he got destroyed just like the previous two. Ok so it's not a stunning recent resume. But those guys were all ranked in the top 10. Yes rankings aren't everything but they have to mean something right? Now look at Rahman's opponents. Can you even find ANYONE who's not a journalist to name ONE? I know he fought someone named Al Cole. And that was supposedly his biggest name opponent in the last year. Who the F is Al Cole? Compared to Rahman's opponents, even Johnson as a fat lard would have posed a bigger threat.

I've said it over and over and Ill say it again. I DO give Rahman the best chance out of the current heavyweights to knock Klitschko off. Thats because I think you have to rock him with a power shot to get him to stop jabbing and throwing the right straight down the pipe on you from a distance all night long. And I believe only Rahman has that capability. Ruiz? I don't think so. Byrd? He was getting beat before the injury not to mention that Byrd's skills have diminished while Klitschko has improved. Toney? Too small. Brewster? Vitali is not Wladimir (I always thought Wladimir was more 'technically' skilled though). Anyways, while Rahman may have the best chance, I don't think it'll be nearly enough unless KLitschko comes in careless which you can be sure won't happen. I think it'll be like the Sanders fight in that the first couple rounds will be shaky and then Klitschko will pick him apart for a mid-late tko.

Btw, I'm gonna lay down $75 on Eastman I think. I've won my last two bets (Judah and Gatti) but those weren't hard calls. Time to REALLY go against the media. I think I'm getting good odds anyways to bet on Eastman.


EDIT: Btw, I saw this in a previous post of yours. "He just throw and throws until his opponet falls down." You're talking about Vitali. That couldn't be FURTHER from the truth. I would explain. But this post is already so long and it should be self explanatory if you watch his fights.

[ThaHero]

I'm glad someone agrees on Eastman lol.

I'm new to Sports betting, is there a site that has the odds or should I just go to a casino?

[Tuds75]

Thahero,

I have also been looking around for a good online sportsbook that specializes in boxing lines. Pinnacle has real active odds. Their odds move up and down right up to the fight. I think Eastman is +582, or something close to that. They also offer many props on the fight. Sportsbook.com is a sponsor for the Eastman-Hopkins fight so they have a few more bets for that fight then for a normal fight. Their odds are set and don't really move until like the day of the fight. Check them out and good luck into sportsbetting. Let us know how you did on Sat.

I like your thinking about Hopkins be right to fall. The EA Sports cover jinx is for real and a very good point. I thought about betting Eastman too, but Hopkins is so focused and so prepared for every fight that I just can't believe he will lose anytime soon. But then that is why they fight the match.

Tuds