How do you guys treat agressive PF raisers?

[mtdoak]

For example, you have AQo in MP2. UTG is 50/20 after a good sample of hands and raises and its folded to you. Is this a clear 3 bet? What if there are 2 or more cold callers in between you and the PFR? Thanks!

[Fat Nicky]

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UTG is 50/20 after a good sample of hands and raises and its folded to you. Is this a clear 3 bet?

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3-bet

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What if there are 2 or more cold callers in between you and the PFR?

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Depends on the cold-callers.

[Vaftrudner]

yup. /v

[SinCityGuy]

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For example, you have AQo in MP2. UTG is 50/20 after a good sample of hands and raises and its folded to you. Is this a clear 3 bet?

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Yes, and you should also be 3-betting him with medium pairs, whereas against normal players you would be folding them.

[QTip]

I'm with the rest...3 bet

I'm actually changed the colors on my GT+ to reflect the raise % to make these types of decisions easy to see.

[Fat Nicky]

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Yes, and you should also be 3-betting him with medium pairs

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This is discouraged in John Feeney's 'Inside the Poker Mind'. Although, against a loose raiser, I don't see how wrong this could be.

[QTip]

Haven't read that yet...I'll have to check it out.

[John Feeney]

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Yes, and you should also be 3-betting him with medium pairs
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This is discouraged in John Feeney's 'Inside the Poker Mind'. Although, against a loose raiser, I don't see how wrong this could be.

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I don't think I really discourage that. I do talk about not overdoing it with small pair reraises for isolation purposes, and mention something about the same considerations applying, but clearly to a lesser degree with medium pairs.

I'm not clear on what the "50/20" means (a pokertracker stat? I'm not up on that.) but assume the guy is a pretty loose raiser. in that case I'd have no problem reraising him with medium pairs.

I think the OP asked something about when other players will likely be involved. Well, if you can't isolate the guy, or nearly so, you'd have to be generally less likely to 3-bet here as your 88, say, is going to be tougher to play postflop against several opps.

[SinCityGuy]

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I'm not clear on what the "50/20" means (a pokertracker stat? I'm not up on that.) but assume the guy is a pretty loose raiser. in that case I'd have no problem reraising him with medium pairs.

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The 50/20 means that he voluntarily puts money into the pot 50% of the time, and raises 20% of the time preflop. A T/AGG's numbers will usually be around 10-18/5-9. So, this guy raises about 2.5 times as often as a T/AGG, and we can assume that he's raising hands like Ax, K9o, etc. in early position.

[beachbum]

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I'm not clear on what the "50/20" means (a pokertracker stat? I'm not up on that.)

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Yep, you got it. It means he's putting money voluntarily in the pot in 50% of the hands (very loose) and raising 20% of his hands preflop.

Loved your book, John.

[sfer]

Nice avatar, better book. Make the avatar bigger and I might have to reverse the order.

[John Feeney]

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So, this guy raises about 2.5 times as often as a T/AGG, and we can assume that he's raising hands like Ax, K9o, etc. in early position.

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Thanks. Yeah, you definitely want to 3-bet the hell out of this guy.

[John Feeney]

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[John Feeney]

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Nice avatar, better book. Make the avatar bigger and I might have to reverse the order.

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You talkin' to me sfer? Not sure I know what you mean.

[sfer]

I like your avatar, like your book. The order is flexible. /images/graemlins/tongue.gif

[John Feeney]

Ah, okay. I actually misread your post the first time. Thought you said, "better look." /images/graemlins/confused.gif

[MaxPower]

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Ah, okay. I actually misread your post the first time. Thought you said, "better look." /images/graemlins/confused.gif

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Is that Picasso's Guernica?

[Erik W]

About medium pairs I'd not raise with a caller in between.
U might be up against 4 overcards or a pp. Not fun to play the later streets then. Even one overcard on the flop isn't pretty.

Without a caller it is a 50/50 situation.
Sometimes I do sometimes I don't.

[John Feeney]

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