Is this an easy fold

[meanjean]

11th hand at the table no reads...I see it as I have 3 outs to the ace two backdoor straight draws for maybe 2 more outs and a backdoor flush draw for 1 1/2. plus whatever runner runner jacks is. So say 6 or 7 outs. and I'm getting 7 1/2 to 1....or do I need to view this as my opponent has two pair

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Preflop: Hero is MP2 with J/images/graemlins/club.gif, A/images/graemlins/club.gif.
<font color="#666666">4 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, <font color="#666666">4 folds</font>, BB calls.



Flop: (4.50 SB) Q/images/graemlins/club.gif, 3/images/graemlins/heart.gif, 2/images/graemlins/spade.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
BB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">BB raises</font>,

[Fat Nicky]

call the raise and see the turn.

[PokerBob]

I call and fold the turn unimproved.

[meanjean]

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I call and fold the turn unimproved.

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Turn 9 /images/graemlins/club.gif Call again? Flush draw...with odds

River J /images/graemlins/diamond.gif Call again? pair of jacks Do I have to make the crying call?

[PokerBob]

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I call and fold the turn unimproved.

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Turn 9 /images/graemlins/club.gif Call again? Flush draw...with odds

River J /images/graemlins/diamond.gif Call again? pair of jacks Do I have to make the crying call?

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Yes, and unfortunately yes.

[jailhousejoe]

turn: would either call or raise.

river: would call most of the time.. possibly fold if i had a good read on the player.. or if there are several players paying to see the showdown.

[adamstewart]

Horrible fold.

[Fat Nicky]

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I call and fold the turn unimproved.

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Turn 9 /images/graemlins/club.gif Call again? Flush draw...with odds

River J /images/graemlins/diamond.gif Call again? pair of jacks Do I have to make the crying call?

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Yes, and unfortunately yes.

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You don't have to make the crying call here. Folding is a viable option. BB likely has at least a Q, and he hasn't slowed down yet. Plus, you weren't drawing to a J, why throw another bet away at the river???

[meanjean]

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Horrible fold.

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Oh I didn't fold, but boy did I try to talk myself into it.

[meanjean]

UTG+1 is pretty loose probably 40% vpip...the dude aint clever enough to check raise bluff

This time I'm probably up against two pair or a set with very few outs

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Preflop: Hero is MP3 with A/images/graemlins/club.gif, Q/images/graemlins/club.gif.
<font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, UTG+1 calls, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, MP1 calls, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, <font color="#666666">4 folds</font>, UTG+1 calls, MP1 calls.

Flop: (7.50 SB) 3/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, A/images/graemlins/heart.gif, 8/images/graemlins/club.gif <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
UTG+1 checks, MP1 checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, UTG+1 calls, MP1 folds.

Turn: (4.75 BB) 7/images/graemlins/spade.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
UTG+1 checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">UTG+1 raises</font>

[PokerBob]

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This time I'm probably up against two pair or a set with very few outs



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Call this down. Retards like to do this with any A. IF he has Aces up, you still have outs to counterfeit his hand.

[DeezNutz3]

Call, If this happened on the river then your read is dead on.

[QTip]

I agree...I would call the raise and check out the turn.

If I caught a club, I'm staying. If I caught a J, I would fold. The pots going to be about 5BB at that point, and you need 8/1 to catch 2 pair.

[pudley4]

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11th hand at the table no reads...I see it as I have 3 outs to the ace two backdoor straight draws for maybe 2 more outs and a backdoor flush draw for 1 1/2. plus whatever runner runner jacks is. So say 6 or 7 outs. and I'm getting 7 1/2 to 1....or do I need to view this as my opponent has two pair

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Preflop: Hero is MP2 with J/images/graemlins/club.gif, A/images/graemlins/club.gif.
<font color="#666666">4 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, <font color="#666666">4 folds</font>, BB calls.



Flop: (4.50 SB) Q/images/graemlins/club.gif, 3/images/graemlins/heart.gif, 2/images/graemlins/spade.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
BB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">BB raises</font>,

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Decent opponents will do this with any pocket pair, figuring you missed the flop with your AK/AJ type hands. Call the flop and fold the turn unimproved.

[QTip]

I'd call, but with a 40 VPIP, I'd get ready to mentally handle seeing 78os...