KK vs a Loose Aggressive and I call a lot?

[DMBFan23]

hey y'all,

Just want to make sure this is standard. Most Absolute players are somewhat weak tight, but this guy is definitely loose, and very aggressive. not quite a maniac, but more aggressive and slightly less loose than your average LAG. AP's hand histories eat chunks, so I am bringing you this one by hand.

Absolute Poker 2/4 Hold Em (9 handed)

2 folds, LAG raises, folded to me on the button with K /images/graemlins/heart.gif K /images/graemlins/club.gif and I three bet, 2 folds, LAG caps, I call.

the LAG and I see the flop of Q /images/graemlins/heart.gif T /images/graemlins/heart.gif 3 /images/graemlins/club.gif
he bets, I call

the turn is a blank, the 7 /images/graemlins/diamond.gif
he bets, I call

river bricks as well, the 5 /images/graemlins/spade.gif
he bets, I call.


it felt weird playing it, like I needed to throw in a raise somewhere (the river came to mind at the time)

Thanks,
-Kevin

[Fat Nicky]

i'd raise the turn.

It would suck if you were ahead and he checks the river after you smoothcalled the turn.

[sean c]

I would raise the turn call a three bet and the river.

[DMBFan23]

hey Nicky,

thanks for the advice. I was going to bet if checked to on any street

[Rafael_Luiz]

I'd raise either the flop or turn to figure out where you stand in the hand. Sraight calling down heads up against a loose player with overpairs isn't +EV.

[PokerBob]

I don't stop betting until he 3-bets me on the turn, then I give him credit for AA or QQ.

[shant]

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I don't stop betting until he 3-bets me on the turn, then I give him credit for AA or QQ.

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I agree with this, and play it the same way. We're not putting a LAG on a range of hands here just because he capped after being 3-bet. LAGs will do this out of spite more than having AA.

Also, LAGs like betting and raising so I don't think raising the flop or turn is going to slow him down or make him fold.

[Chairman Wood]

Actually I think it is +EV. It is just more +EV to throw in a raise.

[PokerBob]

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I'd raise either the flop or turn to figure out where you stand in the hand.

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How do you ever know where you stand with a LAG?

If you ever slow down, he will attack. IMO opinion slowing down on the flop and then raising the turn only complicates matters.

Keep betting until it is reasonable to slow down. Just cuz he's LAG doesn't mean he's a complete fool.

[DMBFan23]

QJo.

[PokerBob]

You left bets on the table.

[BaronVonCP]

Someone give me one reason why you would ever not raise the flop?

[DMBFan23]

you can say that again.

[DMBFan23]

one reason = I was capped pf.

is that a sufficient reason? not against this opponent. but it is one reason.

[BaronVonCP]

Even TAG's can cap with less than AA/QQ.

But what good is knowing that this guy is lagish do you if you don't use that information?

[k_squared]

one reason not to raise the flop is to get a raise in on the turn...

Depending on how tight he is post flop many LAGs will slow down after being raised on the flop if they hit nothing, and by checking you are inducing them to bet with hands they might not otherwise bet on the turn. You are far enough ahead of most of the hands he has to make it worth trying to get that extra bet in.

At the very least that is a reason!

-K_squared