Pokerhost thread lock

[tripledouble]

it's fine that this thread

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/showthreaded.php?Cat=&Number=1700420&page=2&view=c ollapsed&sb=5&o=14&fpart=1

has been locked.

at least I can take some satisfaction that more people viewed that thread then the FAQ on the front page.

the issue will not be resolved in my mind until pokerhost replies with an official response to myself and johnnyonthespot for their actions.

I talked to joey on the phone last night and he requested formal emails be sent to him for any request involving my hand histories and reasons for their decision.

i have done so.

it comes down to this people, you have no voice when it comes to internet poker, you have no method of preventing or appealing any action that these off shore sites choose to employ.

you DO have a choice about where to play. If even 1/3 of you who read the posts on that albatros of a thread were considering pokerhost and now stay away, it served some sort of purpose.

later days-

TD

***edit*** since this will probably be my closing thoughts on this subject i'm adding just a bit more. Pokerhost never directly informed me of their decision , I had to find out from JoePOkers post here on these boards.

Pokerhost has STILL not sent me an official word. I have been consistent and forthwright from the beginning to the end of that thread. I feel i was done a great injustice. I am going to pursue other avenues for my further dealings concerning pokerhost.

the money is gone, it's really not even a concern any longer, my integrity and the fact that they are 'getting away' with this is.

[Dave H.]

Why was the thread locked?

[lorinda]

you DO have a choice about where to play. If even 1/3 of you who read the posts on that albatros of a thread were considering pokerhost and now stay away, it served some sort of purpose.

I'd never heard of them, now I play there full time.

Lori

[Jurollo]

I am putting my whole BR there tonight, long live pokerhost!!!
Brighter days are upon us!
~Justin

[ChristinaB]

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Why was the thread locked?

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It had over 400 replies, which makes it hard for those who view the forum in threaded mode to navigate the forum (especially since the thread was always near the top).

All super-long threads get locked eventually, regardless of the content value.

I don't think anyone has a problem with the issues being discussed (although "new" information was drying up).

Feel free to continue the discussion in this thread (but only if you have something new or valuable to contribute). /images/graemlins/smile.gif

[richrf]

>at least I can take some satisfaction that more people >viewed that thread then the FAQ on the front page.

That it has.

>the issue will not be resolved in my mind until pokerhost >replies with an official response to myself and >johnnyonthespot for their actions.

Probably won't get one, but you are on firm ground. So far you have answered everyone's questions and have given plenty of evidence upon your behalf. Pokerhost has given none. If this was a fair "trial" you would easily win in any regulated jurisdiction.

>it comes down to this people, you have no voice when it >comes to internet poker, you have no method of preventing >or appealing any action that these off shore sites choose >to employ.

Right. And this is the primary reason I have refrained from depositing. The money can be taken or "lost" anywhere and there is absolutely no audit trail or evidence, and even if there was, who does a player appeal to? This forum? Forget it. Half will be with you and half against - and that's that. I hung jury. There is no way to prove anything - and no standard for "fairness". It really is a wild west saloon.

>you DO have a choice about where to play. If even 1/3 of >you who read the posts on that albatros of a thread were >considering pokerhost and now stay away, it served some >sort of purpose.

Well, out of curiosity, what sites do you recommend?

Good luck.

[Piers]

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I am putting my whole BR there tonight, long live pokerhost!!!
Brighter days are upon us!
~Justin

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I am not so sure.

There appears to be two start up bonus /images/graemlins/confused.gif Not quite sure how that works but,

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PokerBucks are released into the player's real money account in $5 increments based on 50% of their rake contribution when playing at any limit or any real money table.

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One with 50% rakeback, which would be tolerable except I haven’t seen any games above $1/2. Although there is a $3/9NL game at the moment, but I don’t usually play NL.

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25% Instant Cash Bonus up to $100. This is an initial deposit only bonus. You will have to .play 5 raked hands for every dollar deposited into your real money account at $0.50/$1 or higher tables prior to being able to withdraw.


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The second one seems to work out as 4c per hand; fairly dismal in comparison with other sites.

If I have got everything right, you’re better with the rakeback scheme if you intend playing higher than $2/4.

Might be worth it, if current reload bonuses dry up, or site traffic picks up.

[mosta]

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Right. And this is the primary reason I have refrained from depositing. The money can be taken or "lost" anywhere and there is absolutely no audit trail or evidence, and even if there was, who does a player appeal to?

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there are two kinds of people playing online poker making up most of the population (I would suppose): consistent losers and consistent winners. winners make a small investment and then steadily win and steadily withdraw. they will cash out winnings soon after starting and be playing on won money. losers are going to lose what they have online anyway, no matter what (fraud or otherwise). if you're new to playing online you should deposit $500 and work your way up with that. say you want to build up a $10,000 bankroll to play 15-30--for every thousand you have in your part account also withdraw $1,000 (if you are at all worried).

I think if you know how to play the game just at low limits even and you assign any sort of reasonable probabilities to the possibility of, within 2 months, losing the $500 to fraud, and winning over, say, $1,000, no person with anything approaching any sort of rationality would refuse to play. if you're that scared that Party will steal your five hundred bucks the day after you sign up, and that would cause you to be unable to pay your rent, start with $100. same result. if you don't have $100 to risk, then you must not be a poker player anyway, and the conversation is moot.

[OldLearner]

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I'd never heard of them, now I play there full time.

Lori

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I'll only play there if I know for sure that they don't give back money they have confiscated from chip-dumping money-launderers, colluders and cheaters.

I want to know they take this stuff seriously.

[Subby]

Hey - can anyone recommend a good rakeback deal at PokerHost?

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[tripledouble]

above any other site I recommend Pokerstars. There are always games at every single level and their support is second to none, especially at the high stakes. It is the best big site around.

if you are looking for a smaller site, I recommend America's Card Room or ACR ,they have a slowly growing 15/30 population but there is always low limit tables running at all hours of the day.

I've played and had a ton of success on Pacific poker but they do not let you play more than one table and cashing out from their site can be a hastle. I wouldn't discourage you from playing there. THey do have a nice incentive where you get 1$ back for every 100 hand in addition to your buy in bonus which is nice. Though if you win at the site they eventually will rescend that from you.

I tend to not play at party poker too often because they allow third party software like poker tracker, and i'm too lazy to stay on top of stuff like that. Many love party for this exact reason and I think their bad beat jackpot thing is a fun little gimmick.

I can't stand the interface at BoSPoker, another newer site, i lost my buy in there too quickly to give you a good analysis and didn't figure it was worth it to try again.

Feel free to talk to me anytime

tripledouble on pokerstars
hobbit on acr
durty_snchez on party
tripdoub on pacific

[emonrad87]

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I tend to not play at party poker too often because they allow third party software like poker tracker, and i'm too lazy to stay on top of stuff like that. Many love party for this exact reason and I think their bad beat jackpot thing is a fun little gimmick.


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You do realize that your favorite site pokerstars does as well dont you? In fact, all of them do.

[AngryCola]

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I tend to not play at party poker too often because they allow third party software like poker tracker, and i'm too lazy to stay on top of stuff like that. Many love party for this exact reason and I think their bad beat jackpot thing is a fun little gimmick.


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You do realize that your favorite site pokerstars does as well dont you? In fact, all of them do.

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It seems like he should know that with as much money as he was throwing around.

Hmm.

[emonrad87]

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It seems like he should know that with as much money as he was throwing around.

Hmm.

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Agreed.

[Emmitt2222]

I am so freakin glad that thread is off of the front page. If I had to see that thing one more day people were going to die, or I may just throw something at the wall... whichever came first. Anyway, thanks to whoever locked it.

[lorinda]

I am so freakin glad that thread is off of the front page. If I had to see that thing one more day people were going to die, or I may just throw something at the wall... whichever came first. Anyway, thanks to whoever locked it.


Using flat mode would have been a higher EV idea.

Lori

[Emmitt2222]

Isnt flat mode only available while viewing a thread, not a forum? How would this help me? Im confused.

[emonrad87]

No, its available for both.

[lorinda]

I must mean "Collapse" I think.

Lori

[smartalecc5]

gl tirple double winning!

[tripledouble]

i've seen poker tracker once being used.

i play short handed exclusively, i'd never use the tool.

honestly, if you don't know you're table in the first 5 to 7 hands you probably don't win much as a player anyways.

last i knew of pokertracker it only worked on party and empire in real time /shrug

[tripledouble]

thanks alec.

like i said it's not about the money anymore...it's the principle.

i appreciate the many private emails and words of encouragement from the people watching me play at pokerstars and ACR every night.

[richrf]

Mosta,

What you say is reasonable - but there are more issues than you outlined. Any site that would "take money without cause" can do it in many ways using the information that they have in hand (some sites for example ask for legible photo copies of highly confidential information including signature, driver's license, and front and back of credit cards). In one case, when I realized the exposure, I had my bank cancel my old credit card (which I did use to deposit some money) and send me a new one with a new ID. I have no idea how secure these sites are and who has access to the informtion. In time, I am sure we will find out.

For that reason, I took extra precautions (as others have suggested on this forum) of isolating my primary financial accounts from both Neteller (which sends and receives money without confirmation from he owner of the account) and from the casinos. In addition to this, your advice seems very reasonable to me. But not everyone can affort loose money - plus it is a supreme and futile annoyance.

[richrf]

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above any other site I recommend Pokerstars.

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Yes, this is one of the few sites that I have come across that I feel comfortable with at this time. It is nice to hear confirmation from you.

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if you are looking for a smaller site, I recommend America's Card Room or ACR

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I'll check them out.


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I've played and had a ton of success on Pacific poker

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I wanted to try them out but I could never get their software to install. One of a couple that failed on my machine.


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I tend to not play at party poker too often because they allow third party software like poker tracker, and i'm too lazy to stay on top of stuff like that.

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This was one of the first red flags I ran across. It is great for those who want to spend lots of time data mining and exchanging databases with friends, but it puts guys like me, who only want to spend a few plesurable hours a week playing poker, at a distinct disadvantage. Other players have the straight dope on me, but I walk in blind. So rather than try to enter into a game with this additional disadvantage, I just pass.

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Feel free to talk to me anytime

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Thanks, I'll be looking for you.

[richrf]

Hey triple,

There are lots of people like me who are all behind you.

Good luck and you may remember this quote from a famous movie:

"Never stop fighting until the fight is over." /images/graemlins/smile.gif

[AngryCola]

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above any other site I recommend Pokerstars.



Yes, this is one of the few sites that I have come across that I feel comfortable with at this time. It is nice to hear confirmation from you.

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Rich, we repeatedly tried to direct you to Stars in the past. But you always told us it wasn't good enough.

I've said it before, and I'll say it again.
Stars is the best site in terms of integrity and customer service. I recommend them to anyone seriously worried about the issues with online poker.

Hopefully Stars can show you what a good legit online poker site is all about.

[richrf]

Thanks for the additional confirmation concerning Poker Stars.

[Sponger15SB]

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Hey - can anyone recommend a good rakeback deal at PokerHost?

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PM Synergistic.....jk

[richrf]

I wonder if Triple get his rakeback refunded after they took his winnings? It would seem to be the fair thing to do.

[tripledouble]

Kinda funny. I have a word of the day calender , todays word was

Perseverance - having the strength and patience to try again in spite of difficulty, delays, mistakes or failures.

--seemed kinda fitting. I'm pursuing some other avenues than this board now..i'll let you all know what happens.

[richrf]

Its really tough being ripped off. I've had much worse experiences than yours - in the tens of thousands (and with friends nonetheless), and I learned from my mistakes. I have many friends who lost hundreds of thousands in the great dot.com ripoff. It happens in life - and it sucks, but it teaches a lot about people.

[rivered]

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Its really tough being ripped off. I've had much worse experiences than yours - in the tens of thousands (and with friends nonetheless), and I learned from my mistakes. I have many friends who lost hundreds of thousands in the great dot.com ripoff. It happens in life - and it sucks, but it teaches a lot about people.

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You don't think you're possible helping trip rip people off here? How many people have you seen on here saying they got ripped off at any online poker site? How many have said they play at tonnes of different sites and have never had any problem? You need to realize the poker sites make a fortune off the games and there is very little overhead like a normal business. The real problem for internet players is collusion and that's where the real theft is taking place.

Obviously you don't look very closely into what people say and just take there word, which is why you keep getting ripped off. Con artists will tell you anything, right to your face and look you in the eye, which is why they are called cons. You have to look at things and open your eyes. Just to point out one of the many absurdities. He says lost 2 hands in a row to the same person and they found out
he was chip dumping. Have you played poker before? You've never lost 2 hands in a row to the same person? Some of the players here have never even once, playing 8 games at a time, hit the wrong button and made an atrocious
call with 8 high? This is just laughable as is the whole story.

[MicroBob]

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honestly, if you don't know you're table in the first 5 to 7 hands you probably don't win much as a player anyways.

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honestly, if you think "i'm a better player WITHOUT knowing the stats on my opponents than I am WITH knowing the stats" you probably don't win as much ANYWAY (without the 's' at the end).


I can't tell if you have some sort of moral issue with p-tracker...or if you don't like playing there because you are afraid of the others who have all this fancy-shmance data that you don't.

If it's the latter, then you are essentially saying that you don't play at party because the competition is too advanced there....which is kind of amusing.

[dlk9s]

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honestly, if you don't know you're table in the first 5 to 7 hands you probably don't win much as a player anyways.

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honestly, if you think "i'm a better player WITHOUT knowing the stats on my opponents than I am WITH knowing the stats" you probably don't win as much ANYWAY (without the 's' at the end).


I can't tell if you have some sort of moral issue with p-tracker...or if you don't like playing there because you are afraid of the others who have all this fancy-shmance data that you don't.

If it's the latter, then you are essentially saying that you don't play at party because the competition is too advanced there....which is kind of amusing.

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I've never used PT or any of that software (I'm considering it, but I play O8 most often and it seems that they are used mainly/exclusively for HE), but it seems to me that people don't necessarily use it just for knowing their opponents WHILE playing. It seems from what I've read that people find it very useful to figure out what table to sit at BEFORE playing. If they can see by the stats that the table is full of players with the profile they like, then they'll have a seat. Of course, PT et al., also help people study their own play.

[richrf]

Collusion is certainly one very common complaint. I ran into it right away and I've learned to stay clear of it. Very difficult to counter and very difficult to document and prove. A "managed deal" is another common complaint:

http://www.pokerplayerforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=54489

I figure, winning and losing money is part of the game, and there are all ways to play the game. Tilt. As for me, I play it my way and I find that my way is fun for me. The way I look at it is that everyone has their own reasons for playing online poker. I have mine and I am sure you have yours - and they are not necessarily the same.

[tripledouble]

lol rivered perhaps you really ought to learn how to read before you open your trap.

you should also get a clue as to what COLLUSION is ya half wit.

[tripledouble]

i both play at and win at Party poker.

the reason i dislike it is because the 15/30 games are full of bunnyrabbits.

people dont' stay at the same table for more than like 5 hands, no game stays short handed, the only way to make money at party is to sit 3 to 4 tables ring game and frankly that bores the pis s outta me.

if you get off on the size of your db it's the best site you could ever hope for.

[emonrad87]

So playing 3-4 tables bores you, but playing 1 table doesnt??

Je ne comprende pas.

[rivered]

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lol rivered perhaps you really ought to learn how to read before you open your trap.

you should also get a clue as to what COLLUSION is ya half wit.

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I believe collusion could be defined as cheating with another player against other players than say dividing the money up later by, I don't know, transfering the money or chip dumping. Then running around to every forum on the internet pretending the first part doesn't exist.

But of course since you are an expert who plays for thousands of dollars every day, yet only has money in one poker site and not enough brains to transfer money to another player, though you transfer money every day, you tell me. I'm still curious how they found out you were dumping chips in 2 hands. Seems to me the only way that would happen is if 2 players were already suspected of colluding. But once again I'm just an idiot.

[tripledouble]

mostly moron, because you didn't bother to read the initial post.

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/showthreaded.php?Cat=&Number=1700420&page=2&view=c ollapsed&sb=5&o=14&fpart=1

it was two NL 50/100 hands, it was HU and there was never ever ever anything ever mentioned about collusion.

i'm pursuing other avenues, try not to be 5 days late to the party getting off the short bus next time rivered.

Additionally, I replied to your wonderful PM Rivered..enjoy the short bus it stops at your house everyday.


***UPDATE***

To this day Pokerhost has never given me an official response in writing as to the reason they walked off with 11 thousand of my dollars. Even when 'formally' requested through email.

Anyone playing at that POS site should seriously reconsider.