QTs pre flop quiz

[A_C_Slater]

Ten handed. Small stakes.

2 EP limpers, MP raise, MP cold call, you have QTs in the Cut off. You....?

[Yobz]

reads would be nice, but I fold unless the raiser is a complete maniac and the rest of the table are calling stations and will call (not even raise w/the nuts) every hand...

And by complete maniac I mean some very high PFR%

[A_C_Slater]

I ask because this situation just occured in a game I was playing at Paradise. And I opted to fold and then the flop comes Q5Q of course, and pocket KK takes it down with 2 callers to the river.

Then I thought of SSHE and the loose games chart where it says if 4 or more have entered the pot to call with any pocket pair, A9-A2s, T9-76s, and any two suited cards ten or higher

[AviD]

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I ask because this situation just occured in a game I was playing at Paradise. And I opted to fold and then the flop comes Q5Q of course, and pocket KK takes it down with 2 callers to the river.

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Results oriented much?

[AviD]

This is seemingly an easy fold, and I don't think its close.

[A_C_Slater]

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I ask because this situation just occured in a game I was playing at Paradise. And I opted to fold and then the flop comes Q5Q of course, and pocket KK takes it down with 2 callers to the river.

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Results oriented much?

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No. It just made me doubt the soundness of folding. Save your snippy remarks for someone else.

[bernie]

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Then I thought of SSHE and the loose games chart where it says if 4 or more have entered the pot to call with any pocket pair, A9-A2s, T9-76s, and any two suited cards ten or higher

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regardless of preflop action?

The raiser is close enough on your right that for me, it's a raise/fold spot. I'd want a couple more in between to coldcall this. Absent of any reads, I'd fold.

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I ask because this situation just occured in a game I was playing at Paradise. And I opted to fold and then the flop comes Q5Q of course, and pocket KK takes it down with 2 callers to the river.

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Then of course you should've called. What were you thinking? Those flops don't come too often, you have to be there when they hit. /images/graemlins/tongue.gif

Yes, I know the result triggered the question, but you have to expect that when you put a results oriented type reason in there. Take it in stride.

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[John Deere]

4/8 in AC. I am on the button with QTo and 5 limpers to me. I call, and the SB raises. Everyone calls, for 7 or 8 to the flop. Flop is QQ5, checked to me, and I bet. A few callers. Turn is a T, checked again to me, and I bet. Only SB calls. SB says, "Well, I think I'm gonna need a lot of help here." The river is an A. Need I tell you what he had?

Karma's a bitch.

[Piers]

Four people pot commited, plus the blinds. Likely to be six or seven way for two bets /images/graemlins/tongue.gif Call has to better than a raise, as you want to encourage bad calls behind you.

Might consider folding if there had been only one limper.