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MaxPower

02-14-2005, 03:04 PM

I am the BB, so far the button seems tight/aggressive, and UTG+1 is loose/passive.

Party Poker 15/30 Hold'em (8 handed) converter (http://www.selachian.com/tools/bisonconverter/hhconverter.cgi)

Preflop:
1 fold, UTG+1 calls, 2 folds, CO calls, Button raises, 1 fold, BB 3-bets, UTG+1 calls, CO folds, Button caps, BB calls, UTG+1 calls.

Flop: (13.66 SB) K/images/graemlins/club.gif, 9/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, 3/images/graemlins/heart.gif (3 players)
BB checks, UTG+1 checks, Button checks.

Turn: (6.83 BB) 6/images/graemlins/club.gif (3 players)
BB checks, UTG+1 bets, Button raises, BB folds, UTG+1 calls.

River: (10.83 BB) 9/images/graemlins/club.gif (2 players)
UTG+1 bets, Button raises, UTG+1 calls.

Final Pot: 14.83 BB

btspider

02-14-2005, 03:09 PM

you: JJ (do you 3-bet TT when Button could be lowering his raising standards here)

Button: KK.. checks his monster behind.

UTG+1: T9s

GrunchCan

02-14-2005, 03:10 PM

Hero: QQ-TT
Button: AK
UTG: /images/graemlins/club.gif/images/graemlins/club.gif

chief444

02-14-2005, 03:10 PM

Button has KK.

You could have a pretty wide range of hands, some of which you were planning to check raise the flop with. But you realized the button's checking behind more than likely is a slowplay.

FTRelipsesjeff

02-14-2005, 03:10 PM

UTG: Baby flush, not nut.

Button: He either overplayed AK here and AA, or he has KK.

shant

02-14-2005, 03:27 PM

Button: KK
UTG+1: /images/graemlins/club.gif/images/graemlins/club.gif

Jester999

02-14-2005, 03:29 PM

Button: KK
BB: QQ-JJ
UTG+1: Q /images/graemlins/club.gifJ /images/graemlins/club.gif

beachbum

02-14-2005, 03:38 PM

Nobody mentioned BB has AQ yet, so I'll do it. Even though the button is TAG, he could be raising any 2 broadway cards or a medium pocket pair here to isolate an EP loose player. However, when button caps it shows he probably doesn't just have AT, KT, QT, KJ, QJ, KQ, or 77.

I don't see why if BB has QQ, JJ, or TT he checks the flop and check-folds the turn. With these hands wouldn't you bet out on the flop to see where you stand? You don't necessarily mind this ragged flop with one overcard. That's why I'm guessing AQ for BB.

For the button, I think 10% chance he's got AK, 45% he's got KK, and 45% pocket 9's.

PokerBob

02-14-2005, 03:38 PM

[ QUOTE ]
I am the BB, so far the button seems tight/aggressive, and UTG+1 is loose/passive.

Party Poker 15/30 Hold'em (8 handed) converter (http://www.selachian.com/tools/bisonconverter/hhconverter.cgi)

Preflop:
1 fold, UTG+1 calls, 2 folds, CO calls, Button raises, 1 fold, BB 3-bets, UTG+1 calls, CO folds, Button caps, BB calls, UTG+1 calls.

Flop: (13.66 SB) K/images/graemlins/club.gif, 9/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, 3/images/graemlins/heart.gif (3 players)
BB checks, UTG+1 checks, Button checks.

Turn: (6.83 BB) 6/images/graemlins/club.gif (3 players)
BB checks, UTG+1 bets, Button raises, BB folds, UTG+1 calls.

River: (10.83 BB) 9/images/graemlins/club.gif (2 players)
UTG+1 bets, Button raises, UTG+1 calls.

Final Pot: 14.83 BB

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Ok, I'll play.

MaxPower puts button on a steal/isolation attempt, so 3-bets PF with A(Q-7)s.

Board is totally uncoordianted, so button risks little by checking his KK.

UTG +1 has A9o.

Entity

02-14-2005, 03:41 PM

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I don't see why if BB has QQ, JJ, or TT he checks the flop and check-folds the turn. With these hands wouldn't you bet out on the flop to see where you stand? You don't necessarily mind this ragged flop with one overcard. That's why I'm guessing AQ.

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Given the two players in preflop, I doubt AQ is nearly as likely since Button won't be raising incredibly light.

What range of hands does Button cap with? Probably JJ-AA, AK. Why would you bet a pair of Q's or J's into him on a K-high flop?

So yeah, QQ-TT for Max, Button w/KK, and UTG with raggedy clubs or possibly T9/J9.

meep_42

02-14-2005, 03:42 PM

Hero - AQ (unlikely), TT-JJ
Button - AK (unlikely), KK
UTG+ - AQ/AJ/QJ/images/graemlins/club.gif

-d

Shillx

02-14-2005, 03:45 PM

Button has KK. Hero lays down AK? If you had QQ or JJ or whatever, this would all be standard. It would be a damn nice check/fold with AK on the turn though.

Brad

MaxPower

02-14-2005, 03:48 PM

OK, this was easy. If you didn't get it right you need to go back to the kiddie pool (sorry I couldn't resist).

I had QQ, the Button had KK, and the other player had A9o.

I later realized that the button was a loose aggressive player, but he did not have a coherent style. If he is loose aggressive, it makes no sense for him to check the flop since I will pay him off as will the other guy.

As soon as he checked the flop, I knew that I was not going to put another bet into the pot.

Sarge85

02-14-2005, 03:49 PM

Why does the button have to have KK like so many people have suggested?

Isn't it possible the button could have a hand like JJ or QQ and fears a CR from the BB - and that's why there was no bet on the flop.

Sarge/images/graemlins/diamond.gif

Jester999

02-14-2005, 03:51 PM

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....and the other player had A9o.

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Wow...that is loose...

Sarge85

02-14-2005, 03:52 PM

btspider

02-14-2005, 03:55 PM

chief444

02-14-2005, 04:01 PM

On such an uncoordinated board, Max would certainly lead out on the flop to trap the loose player with anything better than QQ. I'd bet QQ or JJ on the flop every time if I were the button and knew Max was a solid player.

And I also would not have ruled out AQ for Max. Even though there are two limpers and it's unlikely a steal at least one limper is weak and AQ fares pretty well against the range of raising hands for the button here.

PokerBob

02-14-2005, 04:03 PM

What does 2 out of 3 get me?

PokerBob

02-14-2005, 04:03 PM

[ QUOTE ]
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....and the other player had A9o.

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Wow...that is loose...

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3 cheers for PBob!!!

beachbum

02-14-2005, 04:05 PM

Just noticed the river 9. I wasn't even looking that far ahead in the hand, just considering the early streets. My previous post stands if the other 9 didn't come out.

beachbum

02-14-2005, 04:10 PM

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What range of hands does Button cap with? Probably JJ-AA, AK. Why would you bet a pair of Q's or J's into him on a K-high flop?

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How would you play QQ here? Would you check-call it down if none of the other players raised the rest of the hand, or be happy to check-fold the turn if it was just one bet back to you here instead of 2?

MaxPower

02-14-2005, 04:15 PM

[ QUOTE ]
Why does the button have to have KK like so many people have suggested?

Isn't it possible the button could have a hand like JJ or QQ and fears a CR from the BB - and that's why there was no bet on the flop.

Sarge/images/graemlins/diamond.gif

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In some games, Yes. In this game and in any level I've played on Party (3/6 and above), these hands will bet 99.9999% of the time. The button will also bet with many hands worse than this after capping pre-flop.

If he had bet the flop, I may have paid him off (at least on the flop).