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VinnyTheFish
02-14-2005, 11:53 AM
A local fire house ran a great tournament this weekend. It was run better than any non-casino tournament I have ever attended. They had 120 players buy in for 120 with 100 rebuys/add-ons. Winner received a WSOP buy-in plus 2K spending. I did not play, but attended to help and support friends.

The night went very smooth. The greatest hand I saw as a a guy go all in with Ts 7d offsuit when the board was Jh Th 4h. His opponent calls with a disgruntled, yet befuddled look and flips over Kh, Qh (I am assuming that he thought he guy may Ah, xh). So the guy goes all in – which I thought was a rancid semi bluff. Then looks utterly amazed that the caller has a flush. To make the story better, the river comes Ah for the Royal! Instant standing ovation.

The problem of the night: Royal Flush guy in the BB and has a nice chip lead (let’s say 40K. UTG +1 has 22K and pushes all-in. CO has 7K and calls (all-in). SB has about 14K and calls all-in - BB calls, everyone else folds.

Basically – 3 pots (7K times 4), (7K times 3) (8K x 2)

UTG +1 has TT and wins the hand outright – dealer throws him the 1st two pots. Dealer throws the (8K x2 ) to the BB (Royal Flush guy). I am watching and my stomach jumps. I do not say anything for the simple reason of, I AM NOT IN THE HAND – nor even at the table. No one realizes it, not even the BB.

Two hands later, the guy walks BB goes to get a soda and I ask him. He says, “yeah I though that was wrong, but I did not realize it till about a minute ago.”

Did I do the right thing? What should have been done? I know that the guy was being honest, I know him well. I know the hand was done, so what is done is done.

Randy_Refeld
02-14-2005, 11:59 AM
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UTG +1 has TT and wins the hand outright – dealer throws him the 1st two pots. Dealer throws the (8K x2 ) to the BB (Royal Flush guy). I am watching and my stomach jumps. I do not say anything for the simple reason of, I AM NOT IN THE HAND – nor even at the table. No one realizes it, not even the BB.

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This really depends on how things are being run. If this were a casino and and the floorperson walked by and saw a pot being awarded incorrectly he would correct the mistake.

RR

DeuceKicker
02-14-2005, 02:25 PM
I've never been a fan of the whole, "don't say anything if you're not in the hand" thing. In one of the first poker books I read (SS?), the author talks about playing in the Gardena card rooms in the early days. Some tourist was playing a game he'd never played before and an old-timer basically lied about the rules to steal a pot from the new guy. The author says he kept quiet because he wasn't in the hand. I think that's ridiculous. That's aiding and abetting the cheater.

Being on the rail is somewhat different. You say you went to "help and support friends." If you were an unofficial helper for the tourney, I think you should have spoken up. With 87 side pots in a firehouse tournament, it's understandable that the dealer got confused.

slavic
02-14-2005, 03:45 PM
an old-timer basically lied about the rules to steal a pot from the new guy.

Yes but the old-goat got his in the end when the new guy was able to use the "old-guys" rule to check a wheel, versus an 8-5.