does "SNG tight" = weak early on party?

[morgan180]

so being tight early on in party sng's does it mean being weak too?? i am having a big problem with the distinguishing factor between the two early on.

i get super tight - i don't get not being weak early

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t15 (9 handed) converter (http://www.selachian.com/tools/bisonconverter/hhconverter.cgi)

BB (t795)
Hero (t745)
UTG+1 (t775)
MP1 (t710)
MP2 (t900)
MP3 (t760)
CO (t700)
Button (t970)
SB (t1645)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with A/images/graemlins/spade.gif, Q/images/graemlins/diamond.gif.
<font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to t45</font>, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, MP2 calls t45, <font color="#666666">5 folds</font>.

Flop: (t112.50) J/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, 5/images/graemlins/club.gif, 5/images/graemlins/heart.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
Hero checks, MP2 checks.

Turn: (t112.50) 7/images/graemlins/diamond.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">MP2 bets t75</font> Hero...

[ilya]

I'd bet the turn. His check in position on the flop indicates weakness. And you might have just been trying to checkraise. Once you check and he bets, I guess I'd fold.

You could also bet the flop, but against weak players who'll check unless they have something, I like checking the flop and betting the turn better. That way, you're only gambling that 1 card didn't help them, instead of 3.

I wouldn't call raising AQo UTG "super tight." I fold that hand there.

[spentrent]

Raising AQo UTG isn't very indicative of tight play.

But since you *did* raise pre-flop, this is definitely a flop that calls for a stab. Fold to enemy's return fire.

[morgan180]

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I wouldn't call raising AQo UTG "super tight." I fold that hand there.

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that was going to be my next question... should have been my first, i'll be dumping that hand in this position moving forward..

[AtticusFinch]

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Raising AQo UTG isn't very indicative of tight play.

But since you *did* raise pre-flop, this is definitely a flop that calls for a stab. Fold to enemy's return fire.

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Yep. Harrington calls this a "continuation bet" (although does that term require that it be checked to you first?)

In any case, betting the flop is iffy with the paint there. There is many a fool on PP that will call your raise with crap like KJ or AJ. Still, the pot is small, so firing away with a bet representing your own jack or an overpair isn't terrible. A check is probably better, though.

In this sequence, you should bet the turn for sure. You almost certainly have the best hand. The only possible worry is he's slow playing a boat and gave you a free card to let you catch up some. So fold to any big raise.

And yes, you really should just muck this hand PF from that position. In fact, this hand is a wonderful deomonstration if exactly why that's true. Do you see why?

[johnnybeef]

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I wouldn't call raising AQo UTG "super tight." I fold that hand there.

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me too. remember...position.

[raptor517]

i fold AQ utg 100% of the time. that is being a tight player. but no, you dont have to play weak. play normal style, just play premium hands.

[morgan180]

2+2 at work: (thank you)


***** Hand History for Game 1588752318 *****
NL Hold'em $10 Buy-in + $1 Entry Fee Trny:9550767 Level:1 Blinds(10/15) - Monday, February 14, 01:03:18 EDT 2005
Table Table 11208 (Real Money)
Seat 9 is the button
Total number of players : 10
Seat 2: morgan180 ( $945 )
Seat 10: ocyrus456 ( $845 )
Seat 9: cmaas78 ( $770 )
Seat 7: riverups ( $655 )
Seat 8: Punker007 ( $775 )
Seat 6: Snidefeld ( $725 )
Seat 4: kellymhouse ( $710 )
Seat 5: KLF202 ( $785 )
Seat 3: ezpall ( $715 )
Seat 1: stinky45 ( $1075 )
Trny:9550767 Level:1
Blinds(10/15)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to morgan180 [ Qd Ac ]
morgan180 folds.

[raptor517]

/images/graemlins/cool.gif atta boy

[spentrent]

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Raising AQo UTG isn't very indicative of tight play.

But since you *did* raise pre-flop, this is definitely a flop that calls for a stab. Fold to enemy's return fire.

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Yep. Harrington calls this a "continuation bet" (although does that term require that it be checked to you first?)

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Do you recommend this book? I see more and more folks referring to it and I feel out of the loop.

Spentrent calls this bet an "I think my hand's better than yours" bet /images/graemlins/wink.gif.

I don't like AQ under the gun either, but I'm not quite as paranoid as Doyle Brunson. Ironic, the idea of never playing AQ coming from a guy who'll raise in the dark in case he's on a streak...

[AtticusFinch]

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Do you recommend this book? I see more and more folks referring to it and I feel out of the loop.


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Absolutely. It's by far the best NL book on the market. Not only is it full of great insights, it's very well written and entertaining to read.

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I don't like AQ under the gun either, but I'm not quite as paranoid as Doyle Brunson. Ironic, the idea of never playing AQ coming from a guy who'll raise in the dark in case he's on a streak...

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It just goes to show that any one play, like always mucking AQ, always calling t2, etc., isn't that big a deal in the long run, even if it's awful.

[AtticusFinch]

Well played! /images/graemlins/smile.gif

[microbet]

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And yes, you really should just muck this hand PF from that position. In fact, this hand is a wonderful deomonstration if exactly why that's true. Do you see why?

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If this hand demonstrates why you muck AQ UTG, then wouldn't it have demonstrated the same thing about AKs?

Not that you shouldn't muck it, but I think the reason is more like:

UTG: call
next: call
next: call
next: call
next: raise 50
next: raise 250
UTG: fold

Either that or getting busted by AK.

[AtticusFinch]

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If this hand demonstrates why you muck AQ UTG, then wouldn't it have demonstrated the same thing about AKs?


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It demonstrates the problem with being out of position. AKs just happens to be strong enough to outweigh it.

And yes, your scenario is another good reason.

[The Yugoslavian]

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Dealt to morgan180 [ Qd Ac ]
morgan180 folds.

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With authority! I like it!

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Yugoslav